Seems Farage has an announcement to make at 4pm today.

I’m hoping Whitewave that Reform shake things up a bit. Gawd knows this country needs change (just not Starmer’s vision - for me anyway “the party of envy” - no thanks). Stop promising and then not delivering. Having the COURAGE to believe in our wonderful UK. We here sneer and denigrate patriotism and pride in ourselves. I find it so sad.

Oops! Just seen NF has had banana milkshake thrown all over him in Clacton by a youngish woman. The Tik Tok generation of debate?

Farage had milkshake thrown over him

They're patriotic, thats what!

Urmstongran

Yes Siope there certainly IS a lot at stake, you’re spot on. Which is why I’m voting Reform. I’m sick of the same old excuses from government. Also - just a wild guess - maybe Fred wotshisname (not looking back I’ll lose me post) is one of the many who isn’t keen on NF anyway so that would taint his opinion of him. Obviously I don’t know him and I’m only surmising here!

What are you hoping Reform will do that the other parties won’t do

Farage addresses Clacton this morning (rally on the pier). As you can see, he tackles the major issues of the day.

"Farage claims Tories and Labour 'not genuinely patriotic as he tells Clacton crowd it's 'most patriotic town in Britain'

Nigel Farage has told crowds of supporters who gathered in Clacton – the Essex constituency where he is to make his eight bid to become an MP – I that minds of the young were being “poisoned” in schools as he pledged to stand against what he described as “woke nonsense

The newly-appointed leader of Reform UK (he appointed himself) pledged to bring investment and jobs to the area, home to some of the most deprived communities in Britain, and claimed that the Tories and Labour were not “genuinely patriotic

Farage recalled canvassing with the area’s former Ukip MP Douglas Carswell – without mentioning the bitter falling out between the two men – and went on to claim that the Conservatives had “betrayed the trust” of Brexit voters.

“These people, unlike you in Clacton are not genuinely patriotic people. They don’t believe in Britain and the British people in the way you do,” said Farage, who described Clacton as the most patriotic town in Britain

Throw around a few buzz words to the town only second in the country at to Brexit vote, et - voila!

From the Guardian's ongoing news feed of todays events as they progress. 13.07

MayBee70

Urmstongran

I’m not so sure DiamondLily. Both Labour and Conservative have not worked out that most people now have nothing to lose in voting Reform. Nothing.

Many were going to not even bother voting. Voting either Labour or Conservative is the choice between being hung or shot.

Nothing to lose? Common decency perhaps??

You’ve lost me. I’m decent. NF is honest. You may not like him or his politics - I get that, a lot don’t - but a lot do. And he’s articulate, answers questions put to him and ‘does what it says on the tin’. You’d just choose a different tin. Fair enough!
I’m not here to persuade people. I’m not a cheerleader for NF per se but I am saying how I’m voting. He’s very popular and I bet he’s going to surprise an awful lot of people!

Yes Siope there certainly IS a lot at stake, you’re spot on. Which is why I’m voting Reform. I’m sick of the same old excuses from government. Also - just a wild guess - maybe Fred wotshisname (not looking back I’ll lose me post) is one of the many who isn’t keen on NF anyway so that would taint his opinion of him. Obviously I don’t know him and I’m only surmising here!

Urmstongran

I’m not so sure DiamondLily. Both Labour and Conservative have not worked out that most people now have nothing to lose in voting Reform. Nothing.

Many were going to not even bother voting. Voting either Labour or Conservative is the choice between being hung or shot.

Nothing to lose? Common decency perhaps??

Ah well Wyllow3 you could be right.
Or not!
Time will tell. 🤞

Posturing and promises" are exactly what Farage offers, and always has.

Tice maybe another matter, but I havent read/heard a speech.

Actually DiamondLily I think the LD’s won’t be popular as such - just that they will hoover up votes from people who just don’t want Labour OR Conservative. Mind you Ed Davy will be high on hopes that FINALLY his party is popular. 😁

Greta

If the two main parties have made promises "we know damn well will never be kept" what guaranties does the reform party give us their promises WILL be kept?

I suppose we don’t Greta. Good point. However after the posturing and promises enough to fill our bellies, it’s worth a punt. In my opinion!

Urmstongran

I’m not so sure DiamondLily. Both Labour and Conservative have not worked out that most people now have nothing to lose in voting Reform. Nothing.

Many were going to not even bother voting. Voting either Labour or Conservative is the choice between being hung or shot.

You may be right - time will tell. But, none of the polls, no matter who is commissioning them, forecast Reform getting any seats.

They may well hoover up Tory votes, as UKIP did before, but it’s all about the seats.

And I don’t think Reform will make any difference at all to the overall results. The LDs might get a few more seats though - they are popular in some areas.

Fred Sirieix, who was on a reality tv programme with Farage last year says:

“I spoke at length and extensively with Nigel Farage for 3 weeks while in the jungle. I wanted to make my own mind up about him and his views. Conclusion is simple. He was very good at washing the dishes in the river but when it comes to politics he has no plan and no substance.

No vision. No concrete policies. He is not interested in making the UK / the world a better place. He just rants.”

In fact, Urms, there’s a lot at stake in this election, and a lot to lose. Thankfully, voting Reform won’t really have a significant impact, unless it’s splitting the right-wing vote a little.

If the two main parties have made promises "we know damn well will never be kept" what guaranties does the reform party give us their promises WILL be kept?

re- posted not requited 🙂

I would say that after reading (as above, requited for convenience))

www.facebook.com/pvwlancs/videos/341149145660426/

We have everything to lose in terms of voting Farage/Reform.

Our sense of Decency, Moderation, our UK natural dislike of extremes, a suspicion of demagogues

I’m not so sure DiamondLily. Both Labour and Conservative have not worked out that most people now have nothing to lose in voting Reform. Nothing.

Many were going to not even bother voting. Voting either Labour or Conservative is the choice between being hung or shot.

I know Farage fulfills the saying that the empty vessels make the most noise, but he, like Diane Abbott last week, are sucking the oxygen away from the important stuff.

Only Labour or the Tories will win on the 4th - and people voting for others won’t get the party they might want.🤷‍♀️

Good afternoon everyone. Blimey this thread’s got legs hasn’t it? I just came on line and was surprised it was still going to be honest. Feelings have been mightily stirred it seems.

The fact is that whatever Reform / Farage is, or is not. It most definitely is an alternative to the predictable two party state which is getting this country nowhere. Just look at the promises being made by each of them, in an attempt to outdo each other...promises that we know damn well will never be kept.

My mind’s made up and I'm going to vote Reform..i've had enough.

Galaxy

Right so if he does become an MP in the future his wealth wont be important? It's just now whilst he isnt an MP?
I am not a reform supporter and what happens in this election with regard to them is irrelevant, it's what happens after the election that will matter. But I am sure it will be very puzzling to everyone when reform (if you're lucky it will be reform it may in fact be something way worse than reform) become the opposition.

He will be receiving a pension as a former MEP, from the very organisation which he spent time battling against.

Oops, didn't read your post properly.. forget my last sentence

I think that there could be a fourth to add to the big three, in that polluted rivers and beaches are concerning most of the voter demographics you list, Norah

And what about the NHS?

That’s OK🙂

I apologise, Whitewavemark2 - (not quoting to make that longer). I would absolutely agree with those top three.

I think if a voter has children the concerns would be childcare and education.
17-22 it's University or jobs.
20's-40's it's homes and jobs.
50-60's it's pensions.

But those three apply across the board, Cost of Living, NHS, Economy. Right now with increasing prices, NHS coming out of a pandemic, these should be at the forefront of any Party promises. Small boats, gender identification, VAT on private education - no, tell me what you're doing on those big three, and you'll have my attention on the other stuff.