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Seems Farage has an announcement to make at 4pm today.

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Urmstongran Mon 03-Jun-24 13:41:46

Hmm.
Standing as a Reform MP after all?
Emigrating to America to canvass for Trump?
Joining the Tory party?
None of the above?

I shall tune in out of curiosity.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 04-Jun-24 11:49:36

NoraBone

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

To be honest I’m not so sure ‘it’s good news for Labour’. I think Reform will pinch seats from them too - especially in the Red Wall constituencies. Yes they’re Labour (hence Red Wall tag’ but some (many) voted Brexit and have been let down - and know that Starmer wants ever closer ties with the EU so they may surprise the pollsters yet.

The top 3 priorities

The cost of living

NHS

The economy

Brexit isn’t mentioned at all.

Not true. Literally in the first paragraph of the Reform Policy documents, if you check their website -
- Britain has so much potential. Our country is full of talent and energy. Brexit is the opportunity of a lifetime. Yet the challenges we face are vast. Both Labour and Tory governments have broken promise after promise. They have destroyed trust in our democracy and let down the British people.
And also in the second paragraph -
- Our country is worse off, both financially and culturally. The economy isn't growing. It is being wrecked by record taxes, wasteful government spending and nanny state regulations. Record mass immigration has damaged our country. The small boats crisis threatens our security. Brexit has been betrayed. Multiculturalism has imported separate communities that reject our way of life. 'Woke' ideology has captured our public institutions.

Side dish of multiculturalism as "rejecting our way of life".

(not linking, wouldn't want to be seen to be promoting this nonsense).

I should have made myself clearer.

I wasn’t talking about Reform

I wash talking out the top priorities of the. Voting public.

NoraBone Tue 04-Jun-24 11:46:03

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

To be honest I’m not so sure ‘it’s good news for Labour’. I think Reform will pinch seats from them too - especially in the Red Wall constituencies. Yes they’re Labour (hence Red Wall tag’ but some (many) voted Brexit and have been let down - and know that Starmer wants ever closer ties with the EU so they may surprise the pollsters yet.

The top 3 priorities

The cost of living

NHS

The economy

Brexit isn’t mentioned at all.

Not true. Literally in the first paragraph of the Reform Policy documents, if you check their website -
- Britain has so much potential. Our country is full of talent and energy. Brexit is the opportunity of a lifetime. Yet the challenges we face are vast. Both Labour and Tory governments have broken promise after promise. They have destroyed trust in our democracy and let down the British people.
And also in the second paragraph -
- Our country is worse off, both financially and culturally. The economy isn't growing. It is being wrecked by record taxes, wasteful government spending and nanny state regulations. Record mass immigration has damaged our country. The small boats crisis threatens our security. Brexit has been betrayed. Multiculturalism has imported separate communities that reject our way of life. 'Woke' ideology has captured our public institutions.

Side dish of multiculturalism as "rejecting our way of life".

(not linking, wouldn't want to be seen to be promoting this nonsense).

Wyllow3 Tue 04-Jun-24 11:40:18

The +600,000 is only a variation on what all the parties say they want, which is numbers of specifically controlled immigration into jobs that need filling. Different policies on same of course.

But no answers on net zero migration, nor genuine asylum seekers.

Siope Tue 04-Jun-24 11:31:50

How does he hope to achieve "Net Zero migration?"

The daft, incompetent bugger has already changed his mind on that too. He said in the same Radio 4 interview this morning that +600,000 would be his new target.

Parsley3 Tue 04-Jun-24 11:31:21

Clearly the Farage mind can be easily changed. I cannot understand why this unelected man still has such influence in political matters. His emergency announcement was given the media attention of an announcement from the Palace. However, he may well win a seat this time. He is using Clacton as a means to an end and I doubt that he will do anything to address the high unemployment there. Those poor constituents.

Wyllow3 Tue 04-Jun-24 10:52:10

Greta

Farage got very irritated with Mishal Husain this morning. She asked the wrong questions. He suddenly lost his patience and 'charm'.

There's a clip of the interview up on the front page of I player. the ending is very funny. He denies something and Mishal says, "it's on your website". He says, "give me another 12 hours..."

Wyllow3 Tue 04-Jun-24 10:43:37

That article shows his utter arrogance!

"Explaining his change of heart, Mr Farage said: 'The other thing that really shook me in a way last week were the number of people coming up to me in the street saying 'Nigel, why aren't you standing?''

"Mr Farage could find his previous views on Essex come back to haunt him, after he told the Times earlier this year: 'Do I want to spend every Friday for the next five years in Clacton?'

How does he hope to achieve "Net Zero migration?"

DiamondLily Tue 04-Jun-24 10:24:31

Sorry, forgot the link.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13489645/Labour-majority-100-seats-election.html

DiamondLily Tue 04-Jun-24 10:23:43

Judging by the latest large poll, Labour should be smiling.

It predicted the Tories will be wiped out, and Reform won’t actually win a single seat, although they will split the ring wing vote numbers.🙂

Wyllow3 Tue 04-Jun-24 10:22:41

not "Telling" above, "Reeling"

Wyllow3 Tue 04-Jun-24 10:22:18

Just feel sorry for the people of Clacton about to be inundated with campaigners and Vox pop demands.

I'm still telling from the "led by donkeys" video upthread. The spitefulness of the anti-semitism and Hitler and BNP membership.

Leopards don't change their spots.

fancythat Tue 04-Jun-24 10:21:26

About time the tories panicked. They have been coasting for a long time.

And I hate the way they are bringing up "new" policies now. Why didnt they do them when in office? They have had 14 years. Or however long the time is.

MaizieD Tue 04-Jun-24 10:01:28

I think the only people panicking, Freya are the tories.

Most of the rest of us are just enjoying the show...

Lovetopaint037 Tue 04-Jun-24 09:48:03

Farage (bless his little soft heart) has changed his brilliant mind only because he “couldn’t let millions down”. Well,well,well.
We are being saved by the lying, odious, not to be trusted, nasty bit of work who doesn’t deserve the time of day. I thought Tice wasn’t my cup of tea but in comparison he looks pretty good.

Siope Tue 04-Jun-24 09:38:42

I think this becoming ‘an immigration election’ is a real risk, facilitated by Sunak being so scared of losing racist, xenophobic voters (please don’t @ me that managing immigration isn’t racist - I’m not saying it is), and delighted to shift the focus from a myriad of Tory government failures, that he’ll move be it even further up the Tory agenda.

It would be a great pity, because there are many other issues which are more important to much of the electorate , and it’s important to understand how all the parties will address those.

I hope the media, and politicians, are robust in dissecting Reform’s position in broader issues.

Freya5 Tue 04-Jun-24 09:36:12

vegansrock

Why does the British news media continue to give Farage such an outsized platform? Farage a fringe politician whose disruptive, xenophobic views have done nothing but sow division and fear, played a key role in the disastrous Brexit decision. His policies have damaged the UK's global standing and economy. Yet, he is paraded in the media as though he represents a significant or beneficial force in British politics. It’s high time to stop amplifying his harmful rhetoric and instead focus on voices that genuinely aim to unite and improve our country. Maybe the campaign has been boring, but surely a bit of boring is needed in politics right now after several years of “ excitement”. Farage is an odious creep , who reminds me of a dodgy car salesman with his fake tan and bad teeth. He just couldn’t bear to miss out on more publicity now that the even more orange one has been convicted and can do without his ministrations .

Oh dear, panicking or not. Have you seen the Henry Jackson poll, heard good mornings Mr madly have to apologise after slandering them and Farage.

Katie590 Tue 04-Jun-24 09:28:05

Whitewavemark2

What I do think, as is evident this morning, is that Farage is now being exposed to proper scrutiny by the media, and is beginning to look exactly what he is - a boring pub bigot.

The problem is that the more outrageous his policies the more media time he will get and there are a lot of voters will turn out as they did for Brexit.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 04-Jun-24 09:14:15

What I do think, as is evident this morning, is that Farage is now being exposed to proper scrutiny by the media, and is beginning to look exactly what he is - a boring pub bigot.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 04-Jun-24 08:42:49

zakouma66

*Mr Farage yesterday vowed to turn the contest into an 'immigration election' –and highlighted the sharp rise in legal and illegal migration in recent years*

The Mail.

Well of course he did .

Hate, division and discord is his signature.

zakouma66 Tue 04-Jun-24 08:34:26

Mr Farage yesterday vowed to turn the contest into an 'immigration election' –and highlighted the sharp rise in legal and illegal migration in recent years

The Mail.

choughdancer Tue 04-Jun-24 08:33:44

Wyllow3

Nandalot

NoraBone

Farage Facts - x.com/ByDonkeys/status/1797651718852804923

Why not call the party The BNP and have done. Horrid little man. Richard Tice is standing in my area (Boston & Skegness) and there's a lot of support for him on FB. Not from me! Connections to the KKK, I mean, you couldn't make this up!

Thank you for this link, NoraBone. It just confirms what I thought about him. I wish more people would take a look at the link.

Heck, everyone should read this link! Really shocking! and tries to explain away the anti semitism and fascism later.

If it's difficult to see on X, here's the link for it on Facebook: www.facebook.com/pvwlancs/videos/341149145660426/

Whitewavemark2 Tue 04-Jun-24 08:30:24

Well let’s believe this 😄😄

Plan to cut NHS waiting list to zero within 2 years.

See a GP within 3 days

See a consultant within 3 weeks

Operation within 9 weeks

No tax to be paid by front line staff or social care workers.

Hoorah!

No idea how it’s being funded though, but why let such a small matter bother us.

Greta Tue 04-Jun-24 08:29:53

Farage got very irritated with Mishal Husain this morning. She asked the wrong questions. He suddenly lost his patience and 'charm'.

MaizieD Tue 04-Jun-24 08:16:51

Galaxy

Is he both now? A fringe politician of no importance but also a key player in one of the most important votes in this country's recent history.

Clearly the answer depends on whether or not you believe Farage's unrelenting self promotion.

MayBee70 Tue 04-Jun-24 08:15:58

DiamondLily

To be clear, I wouldn’t vote for Reform if they were the only candidates on the ballot - one trick ponies.

But, objectively, I would say that Tice comes across as much more personable, likeable, intelligent and articulate, than Farage ever has.

Yet, he’s been dumped for someone that has failed to win a seat at Westminster on 7/8 occasions.

Strange. 🤷‍♀️

Tice is no better than Farage. The only difference is that one is very good looking and the other one looks like a frog.