Sunak V Starmer

I have total faith in the fact that Keir Starmer is in politics for the right reason.

I thought it was pointless even doing the program before the manifestos have even been issued!!
Once we know what each party is offering to do when in power then we can drill down and ask the the more probing questions of how it will all be financed and implemented.
As it is, Keir Starmer knows how to use words that say exactly nothing and promise nothing - which given his former job he is well used to doing!! This is worrying as if he gets into power we won't know what he will do until he's actually in No.10 and then we are sitting ducks.
If (and this is very unlikely) we end up with a hung parliament then nothing will get done as each side will stubbornly veto the others so nothing changes anyway!!

I’m not sure any of them care. It’s all about power.
I have no faith in any of them to do what I need to be done. They’ll all do something for those they want to help. It could be the rich they help, or it could be the poor. I’m neither rich nor poor. My need is medical and it’s not going to be sorted anytime soon, whoever wins on 4th July. I’m sitting here in pain, writing with my left hand because my right hand hurts too much to use it. Frankly I don’t care who wins because neither of them will do anything at all for me, or many others like me!

Have you seen the video of someone at a factory sunak visited, who asks why anyone should have faith, as he finds it hard since his mother died alone, of covid?
Her other son came to visit her but was given a penalty for breaking the rules.

He reminds sunak, saying "you probably remember that time, it's just about when you were having get togethers with other mps".

Sunak couldnt give a crap, that's glaringly obvious.
He blusters on about how they supported businesses, blah blah blah .

Don’t forget the “eat out to help out, in autumn 2020, which Sunak arrogantly pushed without any advise from the medical team, who were appalled at the scheme and reckoned Sunak was single-handedly responsible for many more suffering and dying from covid than would have been the case.

Shropshirelass

Yes. Kier Starmer was useless. He keeps saying they have a plan but no idea how to implement it nor how to pay for it. ‘When I was Crown Prosecutor’ , well he isn’t now and failed miserably in this debate. I thought Rishi was good. Clear on what his plans are and how to finance them. I also agree with National Service or Community Service for teens, will give some more of a sense of direction. Hope to God he gets in again and is allowed to finish the recovery he has started. It all takes time.

The Tories have been in power for 14 years. What have they done to improve the conditions for the majority of workers?

Sunak was Chancellor during covid. What did he do? Introduce Bonce Back Loans - many of which have not been and never will be repaid. Admittedly he introduced SEISS, but not everyone got that (more than one person here didn't receive it). The recipients paid income tax on the amounts received if over the PA.

Sunak has been PM for nearly 20 months. What has he done for the "hard working families across (or up and down - change at will) the country"

My answer to all the above - b----r all.

Katie590

maddyone

Well it mean that it would be difficult to maintain the current tax free allowance at the present rate then, or so it seems to me. Starmer didn’t refute that pensioners would have to pay tax though, although I’m a pensioner and I pay tax because I have a professional pension, so it seems to me, it’s not much change for pensioners whoever is in power.

There is a lot Starmer “could” do to hit high income/wealth people. He could abolish the extra IHT allowance that can be £900k, he could restrict State Pension above an income threshold. We already loose the personal allowance over a certain income.

Why give benefits to those that don’t need them?.

Because people have contributed towards the state pension and other benefits.

Fed up with "rabbit caught in headlines" . Think of something else please.

Well doneMaizie 09.43 (or therabouts)

LizzieDrip

Sunak’s a liar. That’s it. The country has had more than enough of Tory MPs & PMs lying through their teeth to scam the British public.

Totally agree

Yes - I know I’m tribal but so are many others. GSM is Tory - we disagree but respect each other I hope. I look back in one nation tories like Hesletine and Clarke in comparison with truss, Cameron and Sunak and despair.
Starmer is a mature experienced individual who I believe has integrity. I just don’t see that in Sunak

Easy on the oars. This constant repetition of the words lies and lying makes a necessarily contentious debate uglier than it need be. We may feel strongly, but no need to talk like Donald Trump.

To say 'they're all liars' is absurd.

I don't think the debate will make any difference in the long run but hope that next time the format can play more to Starmer's strengths.

🥳

Sunak now being investigated over the lies.

I thought Sunak was rude, shouty and far to inclined to shout over Starmer as well as the moderator
I voted for Starmer as leader and I don’t regret that, he was the best candidate. He’s a QC or is it KC now. He must have the capacity to be brutal in cross examination and in his role as Labour leader. He’s leading a team of MPs from varied backgrounds and views. He’s leading well, the team is performing well imo. So - I’d like to see more of these skills in not allowing Sunak to shout over him and repeat nonsense

Someone on the radio said today that she thought that Starmer came over as a real gentleman - treating the presenter with respect and consideration - whereas Sunak behave like an overgrown student.

Doodledog

I couldn't agree more, DL. It's definitely time for a change.

And me. The next lot can’t possibly be any worse..🫰

LizzieDrip

Sunak’s a liar. That’s it. The country has had more than enough of Tory MPs & PMs lying through their teeth to scam the British public.

I so agree LizzieDrip, I guess he thought Boris got away with it for a long time, so I'll do it too. But he hasn't got either the wit or charm to carry it off.

Starmer came across by far the better though, very calm and statesmanlike.

I totally agree, I've had enough of Tory MP's lying to the electorate and privatising the NHS without a mandate, we were cheated by Tories at the last election, cos they didn't put that in their mandate

Here is opposition policy as costed by Treasury the big one is the warm homes scheme.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/opposition-policy-costings-2024

It is very depressing. A lie seems to be acceptable if you get away with it.

I couldn't agree more, DL. It's definitely time for a change.

Doodledog

Yup. Someone being 'useless' in the face of duplicity and bare faced lies is not a mark of weakness in my book. I'm not great with liars myself, when I've met them. I've known some slippery characters over the years, but I don't know if I've come across such an egregious public lie as that one.

Well, I’m feeling I’ve had enough after 14 years of the government, with different leaders, all lying.🙄

It seems a lot of people don't mind being lied to as long as they "like" the lies, they prefer that to being told the truth

Isn’t that very depressing foxie

Foxie48
The problem is that we don’t have an option about voting for a liar whichever of the main 3 parties we vote for. The only difference is which liar?

It seems a lot of people don't mind being lied to as long as they "like" the lies, they prefer that to being told the truth. Boris told lies, Trump told lies, there seem to be lots of people who still think they are good leaders so it's no wonder that Sunak thinks he might win the election by telling the same lies over and over again.