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Sunak V Starmer

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GrannyGravy13 Tue 04-Jun-24 21:42:07

Anyone watching?

Dinahmo Tue 04-Jun-24 21:45:20

No watching the DDay prog.

Siope Tue 04-Jun-24 21:45:22

I was. I thought it was dreadful. The format doesn’t work, there isn’t enough time to develop sensible and detailed answers, the moderation was weak, and the whole thing just felt like it wouldn’t help anyone undecided.

Casdon Tue 04-Jun-24 21:47:04

Yes. I don’t think it will change anybody's minds. I wish Sunak would stop talking over people though, it’s annoying.

Calendargirl Tue 04-Jun-24 21:51:33

I don’t think Julie Etchingham keeps control very well, didn’t think she did at the last GE either.

Both shouting over each other.

Going to bed soon, but Rishi is on top of the debate.Keir looks unsure and nervous.

MayBee70 Tue 04-Jun-24 21:53:15

I started watching it but had to turn it off. I found it quite stressful. The format didn’t seem to be working and I don’t think they were given enough time to answer the questions. ( also my living room tv stopped working; I think the Humax box came out in sympathy with me and had a mini breakdown).

GrannyGravy13 Tue 04-Jun-24 21:54:00

Kier seems to deviate and constantly go back to i was crown prosecutor

Rishi is winning

GrandmaKT Tue 04-Jun-24 21:55:23

I agree GrannyGravy, though I really want to get behind Kier, he's not getting his points across!

merlotgran Tue 04-Jun-24 22:00:37

Rishi has been on the attack since the beginning. Starmer has nothing to offer.

Casdon Tue 04-Jun-24 22:01:29

Sophy Ridge would have been a better choice to question them. I think it’s been an attempt to cover too much ground in the time available - Sunak is a soundbite man, Starmer isn’t. Hopefully the next debate will get more into the nitty gritty.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 04-Jun-24 22:08:27

That was such a poor format. The presenter was grim.

The trouble is that Sunak did just as he did with Truss - he simply talks over the presenter.

GrandmaKT Tue 04-Jun-24 22:11:12

But Starmer needed to retaliate and, if they are not going to put up taxes, to say so! That was the one point he needed to get across.

Casdon Tue 04-Jun-24 22:15:31

Better closing speech from Starmer.
Are there any more head to heads, or are the other debates with other parties?

ronib Tue 04-Jun-24 22:16:30

I watched Miss Marple.

MaizieD Tue 04-Jun-24 22:18:29

I watched a bit but I thought it was toe curling so gave the rest a miss. Sunak had a single attack line, the fictional extra taxes figure and the 'moderator' couldn't shut him up enough...

There's a BBC 'debate' scheduled for later in June, by which time both manifestos will be out. That should give participants something more concrete to go on.

merlotgran Tue 04-Jun-24 22:24:50

I’m one of the many Tory voters who feel we need change but Starmer’s going to have to do better than that.

Anniebach Tue 04-Jun-24 22:27:18

Surely one hour of shouting can’t help decide

kittylester Tue 04-Jun-24 22:32:30

Merlot makes a really good point.

Wyllow3 Tue 04-Jun-24 22:35:55

Anniebach

Surely one hour of shouting can’t help decide

Watched a bit. Not a helpful format for me either, didnt learn anything. Sunak interrupted too much and presenter weak.

Need a format where there is longer to outline policies uninterrupted then reply.

Wyllow3 Tue 04-Jun-24 22:37:49

merlotgran

I’m one of the many Tory voters who feel we need change but Starmer’s going to have to do better than that.

We need the written manifestos. Being able to deliver soundbites in quick fire debates not the best way to make up minds.

keepingquiet Tue 04-Jun-24 22:38:21

Anyone who makes their voting choices based on a TV debate is not taking this election seriously...

Sweetpeasue Tue 04-Jun-24 22:42:53

This is so true. I watched, as a Labour voter, and I didnt think either side cam over very well.

Doodledog Tue 04-Jun-24 22:49:32

Siope

I was. I thought it was dreadful. The format doesn’t work, there isn’t enough time to develop sensible and detailed answers, the moderation was weak, and the whole thing just felt like it wouldn’t help anyone undecided.

That's what I thought. It's a dreadful format, as neither of them had a chance to respond to one another fully.

Viewers are going to be partisan, obviously. As a Labour supporter I felt frustrated with Sunak for his constant interruption and talking over Starmer. I dare say Tory supporters would see it differently. I'd like to see them answer questions separately, with a silencer after their time is up. No interrupting - turn off the microphones when the other person is talking.

I agree that it should have come after the manifestos, too.

Grannynannywanny Tue 04-Jun-24 22:51:04

I couldn’t watch it till the end. Too much talking and shouting over each other till I turned it off. I had a headache listening to them.

merlotgran Tue 04-Jun-24 22:54:47

keepingquiet

Anyone who makes their voting choices based on a TV debate is not taking this election seriously...

If you mean me, you’re way off beam and there’s no need to be rude!