Vaughan Gething - First Minister for Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Urmanston. In my circle of friends and also my family the majority of people are saddened by the actions of the Labour controlled Welsh Assembly, now called the Senedd. It is not healthy for any party to be in power for so long. We were all Labour supporters but have become disheartened by the dictatorial way that we are being governed.
Yes, Vaughan Gethin will probably play the race card, but Jeremy Miles, the one who lost, came out as gay a few years ago. So I don't think prejudice can be used in this instance.

I think there are quite a few GNetters living in Wales of all political persuasions with just as strong opinions as any other part of the UK and that is as it should be.

My concern with this situation is that Gething has raised the spectre of racism against him and it almost makes him untouchable.

Not sure how I’d forgotten about Adam Price, Casdon, at least he didn’t suggest homophobia when he went!

No regard AGAA4 ,we need The Welsh Assembly

I remember the flooding of the village. It was horrifying. I wouldn't want us to be ruled by Westminster again.
That incident showed how little regard the government had for Wales.

That’s shocking Anniebach.

1965, Capel Celyn a village in Gwynedd was flooded, thevillagers didn’t want to move but no choice, Liverpool wanted
water, a private bill sponsored by Liverpool council presented to Parliament, the flooding of a Welsh valley, no planing required, several demonstration marches to Liverpool, 35 of 36 Welsh MP’s voted against 1 abstained. The. valley was. flooded, the villagers and local farmers had to move.

2005 Liverpool council made a formal apology .

Missing whatsapp/texts messages though. Not a good look. That needs investigating to find out the truth.

No, Urmstongran, 28% of the Welsh people would vote to abolish devolution according to the latest YouGov survey I could find, it covers Scotland too.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/35619-who-supports-abolishing-devolved-parliaments-and-w

What are other Welsh grans thinking on this topic? Anyone?
It would be really interesting to hear your views.

I speak as someone who voted for a Welsh Assembly, but I am sorry now.

That’s really interesting maytime2. You are possibly in the minority of Welsh voters in your opinion - do you think?

I feel as you do actually. Blair introduced devolution to shore up the Labour vote. And now we are all saddled with his idea - and the cost of upkeep is not in line with its usefulness or value.

Casdon

fancythat

When I heard this, I was pretty surprised it hasnt popped up on this site before.
Perhaps there are very few Welsh people on this site? Or at least, those that want to talk about Welsh politics.

There are quite a few of us fancythat, and we do talk about Welsh politics frequently - not as often as Scottish politics is covered though!

Fair enough. I dont look at all the news and politics things. Even on this site.

fwiw, and I could well be utterly wrong, perhaps he is inded "innocent"?
I dont know anything about the case.
But nowadays I wince when I hear allegations. Well some.

In real life, I am seeing more and more incidents of people happy to make mischief against another person. With little or no basis in anything.

It backfires on all of them, as they all go off work with stress. But still they do it, and persist.

Perhaps I am baised now to allegations being made against someone. I could be[no, not to me personally or any relative thankfully].

fancythat

When I heard this, I was pretty surprised it hasnt popped up on this site before.
Perhaps there are very few Welsh people on this site? Or at least, those that want to talk about Welsh politics.

There are quite a few of us fancythat, and we do talk about Welsh politics frequently - not as often as Scottish politics is covered though!

When I heard this, I was pretty surprised it hasnt popped up on this site before.
Perhaps there are very few Welsh people on this site? Or at least, those that want to talk about Welsh politics.

I am a Welsh person living in Wales. I grew up at a time when South Wales was an industrial giant and where the Labour vote could be weighed, not counted.
Unfortunately that is no longer the case and it was the union votes of public service and NHS workers that secured Mr. Gethin the role of First Minister. I believe that only 17% of eligible trade unionists voted but they overruled the choice of the Labour members in the Senate who had voted for Jeremy Miles. So it was a contentious decision from the outset.
I think that Vaughan Gething should do the honourable thing and resign, he is only bringing the role of First Minister into disrepute.
I speak as someone who voted for a Welsh Assembly, but I am sorry now.

Adam Price.

Oh I’d forgotten about him Casdon. I quite liked him.

What about Adam Price the Plaid leader Pantglas2, he resigned only last year because he lost the support of his colleagues?

It’s rare in politics these days for politicians to resign, the last one I recall in Wales was Paul Davies, Conservative opposition leader during Covid for breaching rules. He was subsequently cleared.

Kicking and screaming perhaps? If he won’t resign after a no confidence vote, it shows he has no integrity and is not an honourable man.

Nothing to do with racism.

He will not resign anyway.

Probably not Callistemon but once the suggestion of racism is made it does make it difficult to question Gething’s actions without being accused of it.

Pantglas2

He’s suggested that racism has played a part in the whole debacle but surely the same questions would have been asked had it been Drakeford doing something similar?

I doubt that Drakeford would have done anything similar.

I do try not to Casdon. (Must try harder). Hmm. My teachers used to tell me that.
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Urmstongran

Hmm. Yet Labour are always calling for others 'to do the right thing' at the smallest tittle-tattle, yet a vote of no confidence.... “I'll just ignore it.”
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It’s the constitution that allows him to remain in post, not the Labour Party. His defence is that it was not a full vote as two Labour members were absent. But if you asked me if I thought he should resign, I would say yes, I do.