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Was this really necessary France 🇫🇷?

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Urmstongran Thu 06-Jun-24 16:21:18

“British paratroopers who dropped into Normandy ahead of D-Day commemorations were met by French border officials.

Hundreds of soldiers jumped into the same rural drop zone which was used on D-Day 80 years ago on Wednesday.

Footage shows soldiers wearing camouflage combat gear walking towards a temporary customs check and producing their travel documents.

French security officials, who were standing behind a wooden desk with two laptops on top, then checked their passports.“

That was in the Telegraph earlier.

Surely, the Soldiers' Passport Details could have been collated by the F.O. or Miltary body for D-Day Commemoration and presented in a single document?

Oreo Thu 06-Jun-24 16:28:20

Maybe they thought they were illegal immigrants dropping in?
😄 I can’t see much harm in having a passport check, but yes I see your point about the MOD, they could have provided a list.

DiamondLily Thu 06-Jun-24 16:34:00

I watched the celebrations, and it seemed to me that the French were showing nothing but hospitality, respect and gratitude for those that turned up.🤷‍♀️

Urmstongran Thu 06-Jun-24 16:39:40

Well they got this bit wrong.

Siope Thu 06-Jun-24 16:48:52

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Ladyleftfieldlover Thu 06-Jun-24 16:55:15

That’s a bit harsh Siope.

AGAA4 Thu 06-Jun-24 16:55:15

I would think whatever they were doing in France they would need a passport to get in.

Urmstongran Thu 06-Jun-24 16:56:06

Stop this bickering. It’s not about Brexit Siope!

This, a voice of reason on the Telegraph comments just now:

“ Before someone starts on the Brexit rubbish, there is actually no need for NATO soldiers to show passports when crossing borders. They are covered by NATO travel arrangements enshrined in the NATO treaty and all they need is their services ID card an a half page piece of paper per group their unit HQ has stamped called a NATO Travel Order and if they have weapons, who ever is in charge of the group has to have a weapons manifest listing all they have with serial numbers. Most British soldiers - even the ones in Germany, including their wives and children, do not have passports. I had been all over the world with my wife and daughters and to two wars before I had a passport. They do however, have to go through the relevant customs clearance, partculalrly with weapons. That is routine for every country the British Army goes to, on operations or on exercise, including Canada, the US, all of NATO and everywhere else and always has been the case.”

Urmstongran Thu 06-Jun-24 16:56:49

Thank you LLFL.

Dinahmo Thu 06-Jun-24 17:00:23

Ladyleftfieldlover

That’s a bit harsh Siope.

No it's not.

MayBee70 Thu 06-Jun-24 17:06:18

I don’t think this is the day to do a bit of French bashing….also I would imagine there is a massive security operation going on today. It’s a wonderful ceremony and I can’t even begging to imagine how much organisation has gone into it.

Kim19 Thu 06-Jun-24 17:09:20

Please can we just have some peace and gratitude today?

Greyduster Thu 06-Jun-24 17:09:59

I find that a bit odd. I don’t know what period the journalist is talking about but as an Army wife who lived and travelled in five different countries between the sixties and the eighties, I had to have both an ID card and a passport. I have it somewhere with all the visa stamps in it. My children also had to have passports. My husband of course had his service ID card but also had a passport. Perhaps someone will tell me if I have been dreaming this?

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 06-Jun-24 17:13:06

It’s the rules. Why nitpick on today of all days? Did you see the paratroopers complaining?

petra Thu 06-Jun-24 17:13:40

Siope

So you’d be okay if a few hundred young male foreigners arrived onto British soil and were just allowed in with no checks?

We are no longer in the EU; we cannot just pop in and out as if we are.

Honestly, I sometimes wonder if you ever understood what you were actually voting for in the referendum.

What do these paratroopers look like to you.

Yongy Thu 06-Jun-24 17:13:43

Oreo

Maybe they thought they were illegal immigrants dropping in?
😄 I can’t see much harm in having a passport check, but yes I see your point about the MOD, they could have provided a list.

Of course their credentials had to be checked, it would be unwise not to have done so.

I think the ceremony went really well and the elderly D-Day veterans were given the status they deserved, well done France. smile

petra Thu 06-Jun-24 17:17:30

Another try.

Joseann Thu 06-Jun-24 17:18:52

I'm more concerned why Macron keeps turning up late to major events in his own country? Has he got a dodgy watch? I thought he was known for his expensive collection of Longines. Today, nearly 20 minutes late at the DDay memorial service which started without him. Yesterday, nearly an hour late in Brittany to honour the parachutists.

Joseann Thu 06-Jun-24 17:19:56

Kim19

Please can we just have some peace and gratitude today?

Try the DDay thread. It's very interesting and respectful.

petra Thu 06-Jun-24 17:22:16

Dinahmo

Ladyleftfieldlover

That’s a bit harsh Siope.

No it's not.

Too true it’s not.
Nobody asked to see passports in June1944 did they.
No!!!! They were grateful to us and all the other countries involved who delivered their freedom.

MaizieD Thu 06-Jun-24 17:27:14

Kim19

Please can we just have some peace and gratitude today?

I think that the OP is working on the lines that the French ought to be grateful to the British for liberating them (singlehandedly of course) and demanding passports is just motivated by spite at the UK having left the evil EU and the French never liked us anyway...

I thought it was an amusing episode and it's a ridiculous thing to be indignant about.

MaizieD Thu 06-Jun-24 17:31:34

OMG. petra followed the script!

I was just waiting for someone to say that no-one asked to see passports in 1944 🙄

charley68 Thu 06-Jun-24 17:45:57

I'm very sure that the UK would want to see the passports of any military person who is visiting here, whether on exercise or not.

My passport was checked both in and out of Afghanistan when I was in the TA. The RAF took us in and out - they did the checking.

DiamondLily Thu 06-Jun-24 17:46:24

I watched some of it on TV, and from French schoolchildren up to pensioners, there was nothing shown but gratitude and respect.

The memorial they have built was lovely.

Let’s not use today as a French/`EU bashing day.😗

Wyllow3 Thu 06-Jun-24 17:46:36

I'm sure that the security and risk management arrangements were planned and agreed to beforehand by a French/British team working together.

We don't know any threat assessment levels and best options were in the planning.