Labour’s Animal Welfare

Feeding urban foxes is so wrong, why do it ?

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon21

Crikey, Whitewave! No need to go off on one.

I only mentioned foxes and yes, many people in towns and cities do have some kind of sentimental ideas about them.
You don't, fair enough.

I don't agree with fox hunting or badger culling either but foxes are regarded as pests.

Iceland has just granted a licence for a company to kill 128 fin whales this year.

Oh sorry I mis-judged that - I apologise

But what I said still stands😀

Why on earth are you feeding urban foxes Whitwavemark2
This encourages them even more to not fear humans and some even go into houses and have attacked young kids and babies in their cots.
Don’t do it, please!

Grey squirrels must be some of the cutest looking pests, ever

karmalady

They should ban the killing of grey squirrels and also fishing, even if fish are thrown back having had a hook hurt their mouths or gasping for air in a net. There are many gun-happy individuals going grey squirrel shooting

If we want our native red squirrels to have a chance of making a real come-back, then poxy grey squirrels must be culled.
They are not native to Britain.

That being said, we have them in our garden and they are very cute to watch, even when they dig in my pots. I couldn't hurt them myself.

Some introduced species have decimated our native wildlife. Bringing back our native species from the brink of extinction is a priority.

They should ban the killing of grey squirrels and also fishing, even if fish are thrown back having had a hook hurt their mouths or gasping for air in a net. There are many gun-happy individuals going grey squirrel shooting

There is a weird thing in the countryside sometimes. I live in a village that I wouldnt actually describe as 'in the countryside', it is a village in a fairly rural area but it's not as if we are in the middle of nowhere with only 3 farms, two dogs and a post box. However there is a hunt meet in our village every Boxing Day, and without failure a Boxing Day Hunt row on the village Facebook page.
The refrain is if you choose to live in the countryside you have to accept hunting. Er no I signed no such contract when I came here 25 years ago. Those who are pro hunting seemed to fail to understand people in the 'countryside' hold a range of views.

He dislikes foxes because they got into the chicken enclosure and badgers because of the supposed spread of T B to cattle which leads to whole herds being destroyed if not caught early. Btw I do not agree with hunting foxes or anything else and I do not agree with killing badgers.

Anniebach

Summerfly i campaigned against fox hunting for many years, witnessed the brutality of cubbing .
I have so much respect for the sab’s Annie.

Summerfly i campaigned against fox hunting for many years, witnessed the brutality of cubbing .

The above was in reply to Anniebach.

You have never seen a hen house after a fox has gained entry ?

Yes Annie, sadly I have first hand experience of this. I’ve lived rurally all my adult life and had chickens. Their pen was left open one night by mistake. (Both DH and myself thought the other had closed them in.)
We found all our chickens dead. Awful sight, but our fault for not making sure they were locked up safely, but it’s what wild animals do.
I still cannot condone people on horseback hunting with a pack of hounds, chasing a fox, to then watch the hounds rip it to bits. I’ve also seen footage of live cubs being thrown into the hounds pen. Shocking to see.

M0nica

Summerfly I wasn't talking specifically about foz hunting - and foxes, dogs and other animals getting into a field of sheep will often embark on a frenzy of killing, far more than they can ever consume, rather as if they just enjoy the act of killing.

Yes they do enjoy it - it is because they are programmed to do so, because without it they would simply not survive.

We know that many predatory animals apparently kill for pleasure. Cats of all sizes, dolphins, canines, bears and others and of course humans.

However, we are blessed (cursed) with a cognitive brain that allows adaptability which is simply not available to other species. We have therefore developed myriad cultures. Killing other sentient beings for pleasure is one that in many cultures is now thought no longer acceptable

Summerfly I wasn't talking specifically about foz hunting - and foxes, dogs and other animals getting into a field of sheep will often embark on a frenzy of killing, far more than they can ever consume, rather as if they just enjoy the act of killing.

You have never seen a hen house after a fox has gained entry ?

Not strange at all Monica. Animals kill to survive, fox hunters kill for pleasure.

Strange how people who get upset if humans kill animals will happliy accept and condone animals killing other animals.

I don’t agree with any form of animal cruelty, but to have hunters on horseback getting pleasure out of dogs chasing a fox to exhaustion, to then be ripped to pieces by a pack of hounds is barbaric. The hounds are treated badly, some kept in dreadful conditions.

"LOL the Bloodhounds are friendly only likely to lick the runner to death."

Well then David49, let's switch it up a bit with some XL bullies. I think that's only fair when mutilation and death are considered entertainment.

Clarkson is a fool, no surprises there, getting involved in that sort of controversial activity inviting trouble of all sorts. There are no brownie points for actively supporting the hunt these days, as for badger control it’s government policy, specially trained marksmen do the culling.

Sparklefizz

veejay I read recently that Jeremy Clarkson actively encouraged foxhunting and badger baiting on his land

I'm not sure that's true. Clarkson cried over his piglets. He seems to be an animal lover.

Think he loves himself for sure.

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon21

Crikey, Whitewave! No need to go off on one.

I only mentioned foxes and yes, many people in towns and cities do have some kind of sentimental ideas about them.
You don't, fair enough.

I don't agree with fox hunting or badger culling either but foxes are regarded as pests.

Iceland has just granted a licence for a company to kill 128 fin whales this year.

Oh sorry I mis-judged that - I apologise

But what I said still stands😀

Yes and I agree with you!

Clarkson may support fox hunts on his land, do not many dog and cat lovers kill rats and mice ?

I am certainly not supporting hunting

veejay:
He Might love his own animals but prefer them to be safe from foxes etc.so agree to hunting on his land

Jaxjacky:
Do you have evidence for this veejay? Making libellous statements on a public forum is rather short sighted.

It is is not a libellous statement, it is an expression of opinion, as in 'he might.'

Wyllow3

Sparklefizz

veejay I read recently that Jeremy Clarkson actively encouraged foxhunting and badger baiting on his land

I'm not sure that's true. Clarkson cried over his piglets. He seems to be an animal lover.

"Clarkson is well-known for his support of hunting, with Berkshire Sabs previously stating that: “Jeremy is a keen supporter of hare and fox hunts and proudly hosts meets, and allows the hunt on his land.” April 2023

protectthewild.org.uk/news/protesters-descend-on-fox-hunting-supporter-jeremy-clarkson/#:~:text=Clarkson%20is%20well%2Dknown%20for,the%20hunt%20on%20his%20land.”

Quoting someone’s opinion does not make it fact. Clarkson has never been prosecuted, the huntsman was.

Callistemon21

Crikey, Whitewave! No need to go off on one.

I only mentioned foxes and yes, many people in towns and cities do have some kind of sentimental ideas about them.
You don't, fair enough.

I don't agree with fox hunting or badger culling either but foxes are regarded as pests.

Iceland has just granted a licence for a company to kill 128 fin whales this year.

Oh sorry I mis-judged that - I apologise

But what I said still stands😀