Labour’s Animal Welfare

Crikey, Whitewave! No need to go off on one.

I only mentioned foxes and yes, many people in towns and cities do have some kind of sentimental ideas about them.
You don't, fair enough.

I don't agree with fox hunting or badger culling either but foxes are regarded as pests.

Iceland has just granted a licence for a company to kill 128 fin whales this year.

flappergirl

David49

In this area Fun Rides are popular, riding cross country over a planned course. Also Bloodhounds hunting a runner but that’s much more hard core riding.

That's a good idea. Perhaps those so invested in hunting would like to hunt each other. It would make it much more interesting. Humans pitted against dogs who eventually rip them limb from limb whilst still alive after a terrifying and exhausting chase.

LOL the Bloodhounds are friendly only likely to lick the runner to death.

Sparklefizz

veejay I read recently that Jeremy Clarkson actively encouraged foxhunting and badger baiting on his land

I'm not sure that's true. Clarkson cried over his piglets. He seems to be an animal lover.

"Clarkson is well-known for his support of hunting, with Berkshire Sabs previously stating that: “Jeremy is a keen supporter of hare and fox hunts and proudly hosts meets, and allows the hunt on his land.” April 2023

protectthewild.org.uk/news/protesters-descend-on-fox-hunting-supporter-jeremy-clarkson/#:~:text=Clarkson%20is%20well%2Dknown%20for,the%20hunt%20on%20his%20land.”

Callistemon21

Sparklefizz

veejay I read recently that Jeremy Clarkson actively encouraged foxhunting and badger baiting on his land

I'm not sure that's true. Clarkson cried over his piglets. He seems to be an animal lover.

I think it is true.

Many country people, those trying to bring food to our tables, regard foxes as vermin. They may care for their own animals but a fox would have maimed or killed those piglets and just for food.

It's town dwellers who regard them as sweet, cuddly creatures to be encouraged. Perhaps encourage them all into towns and cities?

I am a Cornish country person, who now lives in a town.

I feed the local foxes - but I certainly do not see them as sweet cuddly creatures but part of the diversity of our eco-system which the U.K. has precious little.

Neither do I see badgers as sweet and cuddly but I do know that the cruel cull of a “protected”animal is wrong.

I don’t see raptors as sweet snd cuddly but I do know their destruction is very wrong.

I don’t see seals as sweet and cuddly but I know that their slaughter is wrong.

I don’t see bees and other pollinators as sweet and cuddly but I think their destruction by using pesticides will be a disaster.

So don’t tell me that town people are too ignorant to have an opinion about what “country people” see as their exclusive field of expertise.

They know how to maximise their profit, but are apparently ignorant about biodiversity and its importance. That is why politicians have to legislate to safeguard our natural world.

Well said flappergirl.

David49

In this area Fun Rides are popular, riding cross country over a planned course. Also Bloodhounds hunting a runner but that’s much more hard core riding.

That's a good idea. Perhaps those so invested in hunting would like to hunt each other. It would make it much more interesting. Humans pitted against dogs who eventually rip them limb from limb whilst still alive after a terrifying and exhausting chase.

In this area Fun Rides are popular, riding cross country over a planned course. Also Bloodhounds hunting a runner but that’s much more hard core riding.

and just for food.
NOT just for food

Sparklefizz

veejay I read recently that Jeremy Clarkson actively encouraged foxhunting and badger baiting on his land

I'm not sure that's true. Clarkson cried over his piglets. He seems to be an animal lover.

I think it is true.

Many country people, those trying to bring food to our tables, regard foxes as vermin. They may care for their own animals but a fox would have maimed or killed those piglets and just for food.

It's town dwellers who regard them as sweet, cuddly creatures to be encouraged. Perhaps encourage them all into towns and cities?

Does caring for animals include rats and mice? Just asking.

veejay

He Might love his own animals but prefer them to be safe from foxes etc.so agree to hunting on his land

Do you have evidence for this veejay? Making libellous statements on a public forum is rather short sighted.

He Might love his own animals but prefer them to be safe from foxes etc.so agree to hunting on his land

The Tories were supposed to ban the illegal smuggling of dogs and puppies but pulled back from making it law. I would like to see an end to this and stop the cruel, uncaring animal traffickers making money out of these poor animals.

veejay I read recently that Jeremy Clarkson actively encouraged foxhunting and badger baiting on his land

I'm not sure that's true. Clarkson cried over his piglets. He seems to be an animal lover.

So will I, hoping it happens. But you’re right, it won’t be top of the to do list.

I know it won’t of necessity be the top of the list in priority, but I for one am delighted at the tone it sets, and will be even more pleased as these laws get passed.

According to the link MissAdventure posted above, the Kept Animals Bill has been repealed, so these acts are not currently illegal.

How do you ban something that is already illegal?.

If it is illegal it is already banned. And there have aready been prosecutions for puppy farming.

To stop hunting it would probably be best to ban “packs” of hounds/dogs, the excuse of hound exercise is widely flouted. If folk want to ride cross country fine, but not with a pack of dogs.

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League Against Cruel Sports
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Great to see
@UKLabour
commit to the biggest boost in animal welfare laws in a generation, including strengthening the Hunting Act 2004.

We urge all parties to take note and include similarly strong commitments in their manifestos.

Yes it was as I said - on twitter - I shall be looking for this on the manifesto and get back.

I’ll try and find the tweet.

I agree with it all, I hate animal cruelty. However some of the things mentioned are already illegal so I’m unsure what they’ll do about those. Is this on their manifesto? I thought it was being published next week.

I wouldn't vote for anyone who didn't consider animal welfare
I read recently that Jeremy Clarkson actively encouraged foxhunting and badger baiting on his land
I never liked him much before but now I think he's disgusting why have a farm with animals supposedly to be careful for with that attitude

I can't see this as a high priority for an incoming government given all the major problems we face - cost of living, climate change, energy bills, the failing NHS, rebuilding our relationship with Europe, lack of affordable housing for people, etc., etc.