Good news for you gran/child carers

Casdon

If a child goes to nursery/grandparents/childminder/parent sibling or friend he or she still has their mother/father as primary carer though. Primary carer does not mean exclusive carer.

It seems to me that the only difference is that the actual parents provide the home and the money to pay for that child's upbringing.

I'm child free - never had that biological urge. What always surprises me is that some of those who do have babies want to hand them over to someone else at a very young age. Why bother to have them?

If a child goes to nursery/grandparents/childminder/parent sibling or friend he or she still has their mother/father as primary carer though. Primary carer does not mean exclusive carer.

maddyone

No, because it’s not about a woman’s place, it’s about what’s best for children. I stayed at home until my youngest child was five. Then I went to work in a full time job in teaching. I’m surprised that so many grandparents don’t think the youngest children are better in the care of one of their parents, mum or dad. What is gained by babies being put into nursery at nine months old? If anyone else has said this there would be many agreeing,but because a party that probably none of us (not me anyway) are going to vote for, everyone has go at it. It is well known that the youngest children do better when they have one primary carer, preferably a parent. Is it too hard to put the needs of young children above the ideological idea that women must be out in the workplace as soon as possible after she’s given birth? Doesn’t sound like liberation to me!

Do you have any links to show that very young children do better if they have one primary carer, preferably a parent?

No, because it’s not about a woman’s place, it’s about what’s best for children. I stayed at home until my youngest child was five. Then I went to work in a full time job in teaching. I’m surprised that so many grandparents don’t think the youngest children are better in the care of one of their parents, mum or dad. What is gained by babies being put into nursery at nine months old? If anyone else has said this there would be many agreeing,but because a party that probably none of us (not me anyway) are going to vote for, everyone has go at it. It is well known that the youngest children do better when they have one primary carer, preferably a parent. Is it too hard to put the needs of young children above the ideological idea that women must be out in the workplace as soon as possible after she’s given birth? Doesn’t sound like liberation to me!

Anyone else unpleasantly reminded of the Nazi slogan concerning a woman's place?

And Reform policies to help achieve this are... ?

LizzieDrip

Eh up, it’ll be back to the 1950’s before we know it. The man being the breadwinner and the little woman at home, looking after the kids and tied to the kitchen sink - where she belongs. All Farage’s dreams come true!

Reading the original post, it doesn’t say that Reform believe that the mother should stay at home, but that one parent should stay at home to look after the children. And that children need a stable background.
Who could argue with that? Don’t think they mean forever, but surely it’s desirable in the early years if it’s possible.

Why is anyone giving NF the time of day, his Reform party is registered with Company House Uk as a limited company, just like UKip and Brexit party. He lied to us about Brexit. He accepted payment as MEP to represent this country which highlighted his contempt for European Union and this country who paid his wages.

NF has no intention of becoming an MP, let alone leader of the Conservatives; he is too lazy for such a commitment. as his MEP record shows.

Representatives of the Reform Ltd party is proving they, including NF, can say what they want without challenge, after all it's a free country and we pride ourselves on free speech.
NF's only goal in life is to make as much money out of the 'fools' denoting to the 'cause' as possible. If this means telling them what they want to hear so be it. There seems, to be plenty of listeners, just like Donald Trump.

What happens to the donation money after expenses? Does it go to an offshore account until the election is over. Will Reform Ltd disappear as with UKIP and BREXIT along with NF? Who will be laughing all the way to the bank, at how clever he has been yet again,by exploiting that loophole in UK election law.

There seems to be many coincidences of previous elections and referendums, unexplained promises and unanswered questions about NR and his company to take him seriously, give him airtime or donations.

Sad day for UK politics if this is allowed to continue unchallenged.

Boarding schools do not mean bullying etc.

This is not a new thing! I wasn’t the only child in school without a father because of WW11. I do know my mother, a clever woman, earned so much less than men of her age who were just MEN!! It was disgraceful, but we all managed.

As if there weren't enough good reasons not to vote for them already 🙄

I am not really worried about Farage to be honest or not on this anyway, I do worry about people pretending things arent true. It's not helpful to debate, and generally bad for children.

Galaxy, we are almost certainly in agreement about the importance of fathers.
However, what I cannot see is how Reform think they can help this be achieved.
No party says absent fathers are are a good idea ( Farage is divorced, so, clearly is happy that marriages can be dissolved ) , but , unsupported with no suggestions of strategies which might be employed to resolve the matter surely is just rhetoric.
It's like the preacher declaring, from the pulpit, that s/he is against sin - laudable but not useful.

Not all mothers are married. Would guess that there is a high proportion who are not, or even live with a child's father. How is that going to fit with the stay at home philosophy?

I am 1 of 8 children. I'm 62 years old. My mum n dad both worked all the way through our childhoods from birth to adulthood. The babies n young children were taken care of by older brothers n sisters. It wasn't perfect, we were left to roam the countryside, living in the sticks, and I suppose we were latchkey kids to a point. With my own children, I was deserted for another women when my sons were 5 and 1 year old. No child support payment, lived on income support for a long time. I had a brain damaged profoundly deaf 5 year old and a very sensitive 1 year old. No one helps you when you are abandoned. Looked down upon by the mothers and wives of well to do parents or children. The 'oh she's a single mother' quote held no significance or respect to us. Were constantly running around, juggling time, energy around children. I knew I was doing a good job, never expected a pat on the back or got one until my eldest son was found to have brain damage on top of his deafness. Then it's like god ! How did she manage it. He's walking, talking, feeding himself, using the loo by himself etc etc. I managed it through sheer bloody hard graft and determination., 12 years of sleepless nights and having to be everything to him and a baby at the time. But, according to society I'm just a lazy , dole loving, single mother, who deserves all the grief she got.

Both Farage and Tice are divorced. So that is a case of "do as I say and not as I do."

Both have no credence in the marriage or family stakes.

What obnoxious people Reform are. They use fear tactics to rile up the people who have right wing leanings but also bank on the fact that few people have any idea of how politics work or how it affects them.

The worst part is they, and other right-wingers, think it's a good idea to leave the ECHR!

Anyone who thinks that will have a rude awakening.

Indeed. But I wont pretend about the statistics on absent fathers, in the same way that if Farage said the earth was round I wouldnt pretend it was flat.

Galaxy, I'm not sure what you think could be done about these fathers. My husband left me, married again and pretty much gave up full time work. I'm not sure what I could have done in the circumstances, other than do as I did, go to work, to feed my children, and do my best to be a good parent.
I had no say in his behaviour thereafter.

Are we pretending that absent fathers dont have an impact on pretty much every aspect of a childs life, great, that will work wonders for children particularly the most vulnerable.

silly, backward looking, what will be next, rich man in their castle,poor man at his gate? forgot we have that now.

maybe they don't want to be elected with barmy ideas.

I was a one parent family and proud of my 4 children. All had the same father and were not illegitimate or with an absent father due to divorce.
I was simply someone whose husband had died at a very young age.
A widow.
I had a widows pension but as soon as the youngest was at school I went to work. Only to find that a widows pension is deducted from my tax free allowance and I brought home less than an 18 yr old colleague did.
So stayed home and did my best financially and hopefully my children never went without. But I damned well did!!! I truly resent my wasted years but not bringing up my children, oh no.

To quote the OP "one parent" should stay at home and look after the children. No mention of the one parent being the mother.

Absolutely!

Sorry but I for one have no time for Reform.