The Institute for Fiscal Studies thinktank has published its assessment of Reform UK's tax and spending plans and it says they “don't add up”. And they are not just relatively unrealistic, it says. It says the costings are out “by a margin of tens of billions of pounds per year
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Reform UK proposes tax cuts that it estimates would cost nearly £90bn per year, and spending increases of £50bn per year.
It claims that it would pay for these through £150bn per year of reductions in other spending, covering public services, debt interest and working-age benefits.
This would represent a big cut to the size of the state. Regardless of the pros and cons of shrinking the state, or of any of their specific measures, the package as a whole is problematic.
Spending reductions would save less than stated,
and the tax cuts would cost more than stated, by a margin of tens of billions of pounds per year.
Meanwhile the spending increases would cost more than stated if they are to achieve their objectives …
Even with the extremely optimistic assumptions about how much economic growth would increase, the sums in this manifesto do not add up. Whilst Reform’s manifesto gives a clear sense of priority, a government could only implement parts of this package, or would need to find other ways to help pay for it, which would mean losers not specified.
Lies get told.
Indeed they do, BevSec. You seem to have swallowed them hook, line and sinker...
Sue Gray investigation, Parliamentary Standards committee investigation and a police investigation resulting in a fine for breaking the law... all concluded that Johnson was aware and involved.
How did he get fined for breaking covid rules then, despite denying that they had been broken?
As regards the wallpaper (obviously not actual gold) and his mistress’s other expenditure on No 10:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-wallpaper-gold-flat-carrie-invoice-b2118185.html
GSM from what I have read (and isnt that where we all get our information) he was not even aware of the parties and apparently there was no gold wallpaper on the walls of no 10. Lies get told.
This is showing that Reform supporters just like what Farage says and don’t question whether it is achievable. I have pointed out some obvious problems, and saying ‘where there’s a will there’s a way’ doesn’t cut it. Some people clearly have a greater capacity for critical thought than others Nicenanny, and that isn’t thinking one knows it all.
BevSec, who stabbed Boris in the back? Don’t you think he was the author of his own downfall, partying during covid and lying to parliament?
Nicenanny3
BevSec
Yes let us leave it there and I dont care whether I have confirmed your view or not.
Take no notice BevSec I don't, seems some posters have an elevated view of themselves.
Not at all. The difference is that some people are capable of analysing a situation/ problem and then coming to the conclusion that the plan will work/ not work.
It’s called critical thinking.
Perhaps the above 2 posters could give it a try.
Where there's a will there's a way, the government shut down the whole country because of Covid, I'm sure if we had a strong PM/government like Australia had we could turn round a few dinghies and no I don't have the fine details that's above my paygrade and yours as well I would think, although some seem to think they know it all.
BevSec promptly putting illegal immigrants on flights within days of their arrival.
What happens when the receiving country refuses to accept them and puts them back on a plane to the UK?
What happens if they are refugees seeking asylum from war torn countries. Exactly how would you put Palestinian refugees back on planes to Gaza?
What about political and other refugees, who the moment they landed back in their country of origin would be picked up by the police taken to prison and executed or subject to torture - which is, of course, why they fled their country in the first place.?
The reason governments of both parties have not done exactly what Reform recommends is for the above reasons. How would the Reform party deal with these problems?
I assume if they are so convinced this policy would work they must have worked out how to deal with these problems.
I was a Tory voter until they stabbed Boris in the back.
Says one Reform supporter to another.
Thank you, Nicenanny3, that is a very kind comment.
BevSec
Yes let us leave it there and I dont care whether I have confirmed your view or not.
Take no notice BevSec I don't, seems some posters have an elevated view of themselves.
It won’t Wyllow, and nobody here seems able to argue otherwise.
Yes let us leave it there and I dont care whether I have confirmed your view or not.
BevSec, I have been asking you about Reform’s plans to send people back to France by boat. You seem unable to grasp that, let alone explain how it could be achieved. Another Reform supporter taken in by Farage’s rhetoric. Let’s leave it there. You’ve confirmed my view.
How will
"picking up illegal migrants at sea and returning them to France" work.
Had a lovely afternoon enjoying Open Gardens locally. 12000 steps so feet a bit tired. I came home to ask my husband about Reform and he thinks the bureaucracy is not up to the job and that by registering a protest vote, better than not voting or spoiling a ballot paper, bureaucrats might get the message. But will the bureaucrats even notice? Basically a lot of discontented voters…,
How it can be executed is leaving the ECHR with immediate effect and promptly putting illegal immigrants on flights within days of their arrival. They can be resettled in
Rwanda swiftly which from what I have read seems as though it may offer them a good life.
By the way, GSM, how do you judge which Reform supporters are thick ignorant racists and which are not?
I have been asking how the plan can be carried out. You support this plan but seem unable to explain how it can be executed, you simply repeat what the plan is. I have explained my perceived problems with it - do you have no argument to the contrary if you support Reform?
Btw I didn’t say that all Reform supporters were thick bigoted racists - but a GP supporting UKIP is not a GP supporting Reform.
The 4 point plan Bev
GSM, I thought I had replied pointing out the four point plan which I believe is enough. What would you do? Also I made the point about the GP in reply to your offensive comment earlier in this thread about Reform voters being thick bigoted racists.
A Muslim entrepreneur has donated hundreds of thousands of pounds to Reform UK, claiming the UK has "lost control of our borders”.
The precise amount Zia Yusuf has given to the party has not been disclosed but Reform UK claims it is the biggest donation of their general election campaign so far.
Reform UK leader Nigel Farage has faced criticism from Muslim organisations after he said a growing number of Muslims do not share British values.
When asked by the BBC about critics labelling some in Reform UK racist, Mr Yusuf said the party leadership "feel very strongly that we should protect British values and put British people of all religions and creeds first."
As well as being a donor, the BBC understands the 37-year-old will have a public role for Reform UK during the campaign.
BevSec
No .maybee70, what are they?
‘If we left the ECHR, what would this mean for ordinary people in the UK?
Leaving the ECHR would put everyone’s rights at risk. The ECtHR is a person’s last resort for holding the state to account when it has abused their rights.
The Government is already planning to weaken human rights in the UK through its Rights Removal Bill, which will make it much harder for people to get justice if their rights have been abused.
Without the protection of the Human Rights Act or the ECHR, the UK Government would have the power to do whatever it wants to individuals’ rights with no threat of consequences.
Leaving the ECHR would also breach the Good Friday Agreement, which requires that the Convention be directly enforceable in Northern Ireland. This would threaten the peace settlement.’
You obviously don’t understand that Reform’s plan is unachievable and you are seemingly unable to argue to the contrary. Unbelievable that someone who claims to be educated and capable of independent thought is unable to say anything more convincing than that she worked with a GP who displayed a UKIP poster.
Just to say one of the GPs that I worked with had a UKIP poster in his window! So much for us all being thick bigoted racists!
No .maybee70, what are they?
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