Keir Starmer's definition of working class

I do agree the definitions of class as of old just aren't as useful as they used to be any more. I think we are in the middle of struggles to find appropriate replacements.

Anybody who cannot afford not to work is working class! I don't know why we are so obsessed by class - I think unless you are really wealthy, the rest of us are all working class

I was one of Starmer's working people and was always able to write a cheque if necessary. I agree with others that he has used the wrong words.
Having lived under a Labour government for years in Wales I am very nervous about Labour winning this election.

Presumably not, because I have no doubt that he has the wherewithal to write a cheque - an extremely large one.

Well I've just got a plumbing bill in the post, so he will be getting a cheque for payment.

Witzend
Is KS himself not working?
🤣🤣🤣

maddyone

Has he Sparklefizz?When did that happen?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13543143/Keir-Starmer-men-penises-trans-women-biological-sex-Tony-Blair.html

The highest tax burden in a generation services in some areas are on their knees.

So how would taxing people more ensure services improved?

I have absolutely no faith in any of the parties to use my taxes in a responsible and worthwhile way to benefit society and to provide a safety net for those in need.

40% of people say they are prepared to pay more tax for better services

Exactly WW.

What we currently have is the highest tax burden in a generation, with public services on their knees - the worst of both worlds!

From what he said, anyone would think that any adult in paid employment - which is what ‘working’ usually means - would not have money to pay an emergency plumber.

IMO it’s high time Labour redefined their meaning of ‘working’. Too many connotations of diehard old, ‘Red Flag’ Labour.
Is KS himself not working?

Germanshepherdsmum

Of course he’s also scared of saying what Labour will really do in terms of tax rises.

How many times does he have to repeat what he has on tax rises? Not believing him is not evidence.

40% of people say they are prepared to pay more tax for better services.

28% say they are not prepared and would prefer services to be cut.

Bizarrely - with the Tories we have paid squillions more tax and cut in services since year 1.

The question is

What have they been doing with all the money?

Oh well with luck and a good wind we shall all soon find out, and many of us will be able to breath a sigh of relief as we wave goodbye to the most incompetent, corrupt and unpleasant government in living memory.

Labour are raising council tax in Wales. Look forward to the same in England.

It's just part of the expected all out attack on the L Party.

For example, he was asked if he could promise there would be no council tax rise and said he didn't know. that's fair enough, which manifesto could possibly promise that?

Sunak has not given such as commitment, either.

maddyone

Starmer was poor because his phone was cut off once when he was a child.
When I was a child, we couldn’t afford a phone!

Same here maddy. Our phone was in a big red box round the corner.

^ This for example should have been phrased as "the working poor" those who have nothing left for emergencies who struggle to make their money last to the end of the month.^
A much better description than working people. It would imply a better understanding of how some working people live.

See my post above Wyllow. Not what most of us would think to be the right words, but maybe exactly what he meant.

Oh the irony and hypocrisy of those criticising Labour for hypothetical ‘tax increases’ when, under a Conservative government, taxes have been raised to their highest level in 70 years🤷‍♀️

Starmer was poor because his phone was cut off once when he was a child.
When I was a child, we couldn’t afford a phone!

Anyone who works for a living and can afford to write a cheque if they get into trouble can obviously look forward to tax rises. The meaning of what he has said is plain enough. Foot in mouth.

Has he Sparklefizz?When did that happen?

Germanshepherdsmum

Reeves was interviewed on Sky this morning. Her definition of working people is people who work for a living - not Starmer’s definition. He was a barrister - someone for whom using the right words was vital. Of course, Reeves didn’t miss the chance to say his definition was different because his family once had their phone cut off as they couldn’t pay the bill. I assume that was before his father bought the factory in which he worked as a - what was it again?

"He was a barrister - someone for whom using the right words was vital"

Starmer did use the right words.

He has finally admitted that only men can have penises, so I suppose that's a step in the right direction.

This is not something that I find terribly important tbh, but the message I would take away from Starmer is that he was talking about people who although working do not earn sufficient to save - in other words everything they earn is spent on living.

So, when they have a difficulty in their life like their washing machine breaking down they have no access to savings and thus their lives are marred by periodic crises. So imo the use of the word cheque is shorthand for this. Simples!🙂