Keir Starmer's definition of working class

From what he said, anyone would think that any adult in paid employment - which is what ‘working’ usually means - would not have money to pay an emergency plumber.

IMO it’s high time Labour redefined their meaning of ‘working’. Too many connotations of diehard old, ‘Red Flag’ Labour.
Is KS himself not working?

40% of people say they are prepared to pay more tax for better services

Exactly WW.

What we currently have is the highest tax burden in a generation, with public services on their knees - the worst of both worlds!

The highest tax burden in a generation services in some areas are on their knees.

So how would taxing people more ensure services improved?

I have absolutely no faith in any of the parties to use my taxes in a responsible and worthwhile way to benefit society and to provide a safety net for those in need.

maddyone

Has he Sparklefizz?When did that happen?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13543143/Keir-Starmer-men-penises-trans-women-biological-sex-Tony-Blair.html

Witzend
Is KS himself not working?
🤣🤣🤣

Well I've just got a plumbing bill in the post, so he will be getting a cheque for payment.

Presumably not, because I have no doubt that he has the wherewithal to write a cheque - an extremely large one.

I was one of Starmer's working people and was always able to write a cheque if necessary. I agree with others that he has used the wrong words.
Having lived under a Labour government for years in Wales I am very nervous about Labour winning this election.

Anybody who cannot afford not to work is working class! I don't know why we are so obsessed by class - I think unless you are really wealthy, the rest of us are all working class

I do agree the definitions of class as of old just aren't as useful as they used to be any more. I think we are in the middle of struggles to find appropriate replacements.

What’s with the cheques? They don’t use them anymore. Outdated ,like the class system.

To me it’s a bit worrying that he apparently doesn’t understand the meaning of ‘working’, or only in a seriously diehard Old Labour way.

Sparklefizz

He has finally admitted that only men can have penises, so I suppose that's a step in the right direction.

Wow! I must have missed that. Has he said that changing sex is impossible too?

Everything I have read about The Oxted Tool Company says Rodney Starmer was a sole trader. Do people have any evidence that it had employees?
Would be interested to know because I certainly can't remember a business of any size.

Thank heaven my grandchildren have no thoughts of ‘class’ ,

Yes he was a sole trader. Like a plumber or electrician. He must have learnt his crafts skills as an apprentice or in a factory before that.
But people seem determined to press opposing narratives!

A sole trader can employ people! Apparently it was a successful business so I would be very surprised if only Starmer senior was working there.

Witzend

To me it’s a bit worrying that he apparently doesn’t understand the meaning of ‘working’, or only in a seriously diehard Old Labour way.

He's left the diehard bit behind, but as I said above, we are struggling as a society to re define how to define different groups with different needs.

The Labour Manifesto at all points uses working people - I've just done a check on this.

I am a floating voter, but having listened very carefully over the past few months to the utterances from Keir Starmer’s mouth, Hell will freeze over before I would vote for a party led by him. Put Yvette Cooper in charge and there is a strong possibility that I would.

Yes, Wyllow - and now we know how Starmer interprets those words.

What have they been doing with all the money?

Furlough, Covid vaccines, massive energy payments to every single household in the country, cost of living payments to huge numbers of people

Have you forgotten?
Short memories!

Thanks Sparklefizz

Yes maddy, very short memories.

Germanshepherdsmum

A sole trader can employ people! Apparently it was a successful business so I would be very surprised if only Starmer senior was working there.

I am pretty sure that is what the Baldwin biography described and have seen it from other sources. The biography also described Starmer senior as working there all day and going back to work in the evening. There are lots of descriptions of the house and family life and it was clearly not a family who were even comfortably off. For context I know the house well, it was about ten minutes from ours.

Working people? Really?
Anyone who uses their salary to pat their mortgage, bills etc is a working person!
Whether their salary is £20,000 or £ £165,000, they still work to keep their lifestyle.
Only the landed gentry can not be considered 'working people'!