Keir Starmer's definition of working class

I think all this about defining 'working class' is a diversion away from the poor performance of the Tories and the mountain facing a new Labour government.

Wealth creation is a key factor if we want more tax income to pay for the NHS and public services. After Brexit foreign investment into the UK became volatile and fell year on year and it's investment that underpins productivity. Uncertainty for investors was created by the Brexit vote (thank you Farage, Johnson and the loony Right), unfunded tax cuts in 2022 (thank you Truss), SIX different Chancellors of the Exchequer in only 8 years (thank you Tories), raising corporation tax to 25% in 2023 (thank you Tories) and general Tory fighting amongst themselves.

I don't care how Starmer defines 'working class'. I want to see a government with more ability than we have endured for the past 14 years.

Wyllow3 I think you will find that Victoria Starmer works in Occupational Health not Occupational Therapy as you stated. As such I doubt she has much day to day, week by week contact with patients as I did in my 22 years as an OT in the NHS.

Chocolatelovinggran

Do we have data to support this, GSM?

I don’t know. If you’re interested you are as capable as I am of using Google.

Grantanow

I think all this about defining 'working class' is a diversion away from the poor performance of the Tories and the mountain facing a new Labour government.

Wealth creation is a key factor if we want more tax income to pay for the NHS and public services. After Brexit foreign investment into the UK became volatile and fell year on year and it's investment that underpins productivity. Uncertainty for investors was created by the Brexit vote (thank you Farage, Johnson and the loony Right), unfunded tax cuts in 2022 (thank you Truss), SIX different Chancellors of the Exchequer in only 8 years (thank you Tories), raising corporation tax to 25% in 2023 (thank you Tories) and general Tory fighting amongst themselves.

I don't care how Starmer defines 'working class'. I want to see a government with more ability than we have endured for the past 14 years.

If you read the thread you will see that he was defining ‘working people’, not ‘working class’. And his definition is worrying for anyone who can ‘write a cheque if they get into trouble’.

Sago

His father was a toolmaker.

Yes he produced a right tool🤣

Germanshepherdsmum

Chocolatelovinggran

Do we have data to support this, GSM?

I don’t know. If you’re interested you are as capable as I am of using Google.

NHS Confederation welcomes a Labour Government.

The Health Foundation welcomes a Labour Government.

The Kings Fund welcomes Labours Plans and hopes it will eventually go further.

The BMA stated that the Labour plans are very promising.

The Nursing times agree with the BMA.

So that is what I can find with google.

gsm give me a clue please🙂

Mt61

Sago

His father was a toolmaker.

Yes he produced a right tool🤣

I really am sick of the juvenile tee hee sniggers about Keirs father being a toolmaker. Not funny. Just pathetic

I can only tell you what I have read here and elsewhere about the NHS’s view of a Labour government. I haven’t researched it and don’t intend to.

Quite, MayBee70. I might start a thread called ‘Keir Starmer is wonderful ner ner ner ner ner to you’ to redress the balance. Seriously, it’s like being in the playground.

It’s sad, they think they are amusing

Germanshepherdsmum

I can only tell you what I have read here and elsewhere about the NHS’s view of a Labour government. I haven’t researched it and don’t intend to.

Oh so it’s wishful thinking then😄😄.

That’s fine. I indulge in it a lot myself!

If I hadn’t read it I wouldn’t repeat it.

Germanshepherdsmum

If I hadn’t read it I wouldn’t repeat it.

If I’d read an article which I thought had something important to say, I’d reference it so other people could read it too and make their own minds up. I know I’m a pain in that respect, but I like fact rather than second hand information. Please reference it, so we can all read it.

Maybee70 quite frankly I do not want any of them - except possibly Binman, but I am in the wrong constituency. The depth of my cynical disgust for all of our current generation of politicians of all parties is bottomless.

Working class, working people, in the context in which it was used they were more or less synonyms.

I would also give a reference if I could recall where I read it.

Quite, MayBee70. I might start a thread called ‘Keir Starmer is wonderful ner ner ner ner ner to you’ to redress the balance. Seriously, it’s like being in the playground

Agreed Casdon.

I’m sick to death of hearing that Sunak’s father was a GP and his mother was a pharmacist and they worked very hard to send him to private school - but I don’t feel a childish need to ridicule it at every opportunity.

I just wish this election was tomorrow. I’m bored with the constant point scoring and false promises coming from all of the parties.🙄

I think we hear less of that - albeit that it is relevant to his understanding the NHS - than Lizzie. Starmer talks about his father being a toolmaker, his mother, sister and wife working for the NHS, his mother being ill, etc ad nauseam -he is trying to pretend that he is an ordinary person. He isn’t. He attended a school which became a public school and he took two degrees - the second at Oxford. He became a barrister - a profession available only to the privileged. He pretends to be a person of the people but is anything but.

Yes DiamondLily I’m sick of all the point scoring too. It’s pathetic!

Of course you are.

Kier Starmers father owned the tool making factory.

LizzieDrip

Yes DiamondLily I’m sick of all the point scoring too. It’s pathetic!

I wouldn’t worry, no points are actually being scored here. It’s the same old, same old.

Pippa000

Kier Starmers father owned the tool making factory.

And was, I believe, the only employee.

Yes, we he worked for himself, and had his son work with him.

Thats pretty normal.

Germanshepherdsmum

I think we hear less of that - albeit that it is relevant to his understanding the NHS - than Lizzie. Starmer talks about his father being a toolmaker, his mother, sister and wife working for the NHS, his mother being ill, etc ad nauseam -he is trying to pretend that he is an ordinary person. He isn’t. He attended a school which became a public school and he took two degrees - the second at Oxford. He became a barrister - a profession available only to the privileged. He pretends to be a person of the people but is anything but.

Noticeably, on all the leaflets that have arrived through our door about this election, every single candidate Green, Labour, Conservative and LibDem claims to be a child from a less well off family. I’ve never seen so many details about a candidate’s childhood on election leaflets.
That’s evidently the in thing this time round.