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Starmer's stubbornness

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GrannyGravy13 Wed 19-Jun-24 10:02:45

Politics of envy, nothing more nothing less.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Jun-24 09:59:33

maddyone

The money is unlikely to be used to improve state schools.

I understand that it is to be used to fund the shortage of certain teachers like maths teachers.

Sparklefizz Wed 19-Jun-24 09:59:30

Freya5

Perhaps State schools should aim to bring their standards up to private schools, this will need more financial input, more schools, so smaller classes, more teachers, but hey it's easier to bring hundreds more children into state schools, more overcrowding than already is, for what, it seems is an ideological move, rather than a sensibly reasoned one.

It's a spiteful move designed to appease the envious.

maddyone Wed 19-Jun-24 09:56:48

The money is unlikely to be used to improve state schools.

Glorianny Wed 19-Jun-24 09:55:54

I wonder how many GNers would approve of paying 20% more benefit to people simply because those people claimed they were a charity?

Glorianny Wed 19-Jun-24 09:54:20

That's exactly why the tax exemption has to be removed. Why should schools have the exemption which is meant for charities?

It isn't enough to say children will be forced back into the state system. If there is no justification for the charitable status the school simply shouldn't have it.
It's nothing to do with hating private schools simply with removing an unjustified benefit and using the money to improve state education.

Freya5 Wed 19-Jun-24 09:47:54

Perhaps State schools should aim to bring their standards up to private schools, this will need more financial input, more schools, so smaller classes, more teachers, but hey it's easier to bring hundreds more children into state schools, more overcrowding than already is, for what, it seems is an ideological move, rather than a sensibly reasoned one.

maddyone Wed 19-Jun-24 09:47:43

Pure hatred of independent schools and those who send their children to them.

Yes, that’s what this policy is about. Starmer’s thoughts on independent schools seem to be shared by many on GN.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Jun-24 09:46:28

I repeat.

Children as described by the OP will either be exempted from VAT or the services will be zero-rated. It makes a difference to the schoo,. As soon as I know which area of VAT law it comes under VAT 1994 maybe section 30? But nothing confirmed yet.

This will be worked on post election if Labour get into government and probably come into force during the next tax year.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 19-Jun-24 09:41:04

RosiesMaw

As well as presumably placing an impossible burden on the mainstream schools who lack the funding, staff and resources.
Somebody needs to see this or it will come back to bite him and in the meantime, lives will be blighted.

I agree, lives will be blighted. But Starmer doesn’t care about this, he is intent on raising money at the expense of those children who will be thrown into a state system which can’t cope with them. Pure hatred of independent schools and those who send their children to them.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Jun-24 09:30:32

Yes I can confirm that these children will be exempt from paying VAT on the educational services they receive from private schooling.

Mollygo Wed 19-Jun-24 09:17:32

They didn’t have EHCP when he was at school.
Possibly his children didn’t need one, so his knowledge is limited about how long it takes a for an EHCP assessment or a diagnosis of a problem which would entitle the child to have one, even when it’s obvious to the parents, or those teaching the child that there is a need.
As more children present with problems, the waiting time gets longer.
If parents are paying for their children to get the specialist help they need, is it right to make them pay even more?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 19-Jun-24 09:03:12

I understood the exact opposite.

That an exemption is in place for children with these plans.

I’ll get back on this

RosiesMaw Wed 19-Jun-24 09:01:20

As well as presumably placing an impossible burden on the mainstream schools who lack the funding, staff and resources.
Somebody needs to see this or it will come back to bite him and in the meantime, lives will be blighted.

Sarnia Wed 19-Jun-24 08:58:24

I listened to Sir Kier Starmer talking with Nick Ferrari in LBC yesterday morning.
The headteacher of my granddaughter's school joined the conversation to ask about the proposed 20% VAT increase on private school fees. Her concern is that although children with an EHCP (Educational Health Care Plan) will be exempt from the increase, those without an EHCP will not. Currently there are over 103,000 children in the UK who will be affected by this. This increase will mean that a good percentage of these children will have to leave their specialist schools and go back to mainstream education that could not provide for their needs in the first place.
Sir Kier stubbornly refuses to exempt those without an EHCP which will leave many going back to struggle and get left behind at mainstream, possibly resulting in few, if any, qualifications at 16. Low paid jobs or benefits may be their future. Every child is entitled to an education that will help them achieve their full potential. Starmer should be ashamed that his 20% VAT increase will condemn some children to second-best.