Better weather = many more immigrants 822 yesterday

maddyone

Everyone knows that many migrants are doing wonderful jobs in our country and are totally supportive of migrants coming here legally to work zakouma.
People are concerned about the ones who are coming here illegally on small boats, and immediately asking for asylum, and therefore becoming legal. They are concerned about the cost to the economy, millions of pounds a day, of people who are a burden on our overburdened state.
People are also concerned about the level of legal immigration because in anyone’s book, three quarters of a million people in one year is too many. Many of these are not productive and essential, students and dependents are not essential and add nothing to the economy, and use the services that are already overburdened.

Overseas students add a huge amount to the economy! Currently, they are subsidising many home students. Their fees for many courses are three times those of home students. About half the students on my partner's masters courses are overseas students, paying £29,000 for the course, which wouldn't run without that income.

I know overseas students add to the economy growstuff, but they don’t when they bring their dependents who need school places, health care, and dental care. And they certainly don’t when some of them disappear at the end of their courses and become illegal. Unfortunately this does happen in some cases. Plus they take up housing which we haven’t really got, thereby adding to the problem of too few houses.

maddyone

I know overseas students add to the economy growstuff, but they don’t when they bring their dependents who need school places, health care, and dental care. And they certainly don’t when some of them disappear at the end of their courses and become illegal. Unfortunately this does happen in some cases. Plus they take up housing which we haven’t really got, thereby adding to the problem of too few houses.

Not at the university where my partner is employed. I asked him and none of his students have dependants with them. I assume you know that students and their dependants have to pay an NHS surcharge of £776 each. As most of them are young and fit, they never even have to access the NHS during their stay. Given the amount they pay, it wouldn't be difficult to build new housing (which some unis do). Overall, the UK benefits hugely from overseas students.

PS. It's a Russell Group uni - one I believe you know well.

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maddyone

I know overseas students add to the economy growstuff, but they don’t when they bring their dependents who need school places, health care, and dental care. And they certainly don’t when some of them disappear at the end of their courses and become illegal. Unfortunately this does happen in some cases. Plus they take up housing which we haven’t really got, thereby adding to the problem of too few houses.

Not at the university where my partner is employed. I asked him and none of his students have dependants with them. I assume you know that students and their dependants have to pay an NHS surcharge of £776 each. As most of them are young and fit, they never even have to access the NHS during their stay. Given the amount they pay, it wouldn't be difficult to build new housing (which some unis do). Overall, the UK benefits hugely from overseas students.

PS. It's a Russell Group uni - one I believe you know well.

Don't they see a GP then,even my fit and healthy GC have to see a GP. GP may refer to hospital, one set of tests and that money is gone. What about education, are their children allowed to join a local school, or do the University have schools attached.

I suppose it must be quite pleasing if you view the UK as a sort of glorified sausage machine.

In at one end are all the nasty immigrants taking the rescources and spat out at the the other end are the hard done by indiginous people.

But things are of course much more nuanced and complex than that.

maddyone

I know overseas students add to the economy growstuff, but they don’t when they bring their dependents who need school places, health care, and dental care. And they certainly don’t when some of them disappear at the end of their courses and become illegal. Unfortunately this does happen in some cases. Plus they take up housing which we haven’t really got, thereby adding to the problem of too few houses.

Rishi Sunak said on TV last night if students want to bring family members to this country then they have to pay something like £38,000. I think that’s absolutely fair enough.

A lot of countries expect immigrants to their countries to prove they have enough money in the bank to support them so they are nota drain on the country.

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I’m wide awake. I just wish Starmer was. Things will get much worse under him, human rights lawyer that he was.

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m wide awake. I just wish Starmer was. Things will get much worse under him, human rights lawyer that he was.

Agreed.
Immigrants are good for Labour because it is thought that once they have citizenship they will vote Labour.

maddyone

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m wide awake. I just wish Starmer was. Things will get much worse under him, human rights lawyer that he was.

Agreed.
Immigrants are good for Labour because it is thought that once they have citizenship they will vote Labour.

Oh for crying out loud. This thread is downright racist and pathetic. As for Starmer GSM. He must have been a better lawyer than you given the position he rose to. And you’re the one that talks about envy.

Is there any need to stoop to personal insults? He went to university and became a barrister. A somewhat more privileged life than mine. I bet I earned more as a partner in a City firm though, if you want to be that petty.

Complaining about the level of uncontrolled immigration, which is completely unsustainable and will only get worse, is not racist, neither is it pathetic.

You resort to personal insults against Keir Starmer all the time. You have no idea what he will do if he is PM. And, even though it will be bad for the country I bet you want him to fail. In everything. Including immigration/migration. Labour are going to attack the people smugglers for one thing. And, with his knowledge of the law and criminality (pathetic as you think it is) I think they will succeed. So, you earned more than he did? I bet you didn’t work for free for good causes. Or help towards bringing peace to Ireland. Is everything in your life just about money? And tax?

Just listening to a historian (Ian Goldin Oxford) who is explaining that migration is normal at the moment which is about 3% - and has been the case throughout the world for at least the past 100 years.

It is just that people are susceptible to the idea of scapegoating because they are largely ignorant of the facts.

It is a tragedy that economic migrants are conflated with genuine refugees.

By all means have the debate about economic migrants, but be in no doubt of the ethical, moral and humane international law and requirement surrounding asylum seekers.

The SNP want more foreign labour, or so they keep spouting. The solution is obvious, isn't it?

Cabowich

The SNP want more foreign labour, or so they keep spouting. The solution is obvious, isn't it?

It sure is😁

MayBee, I don’t resort to making personal attacks on other posters.

Labour will not bring down immigration - I know exactly what their manifesto says. Just wait and see. His knowledge of the law (which I have not described as ‘pathetic’) is totally irrelevant to the issue.

Yes, I did pro bono work - I described what I did only the other day. For people who couldn’t pay a lawyer, people who couldn’t read and write, and a girl in an inner city school in a deprived area interested in becoming a lawyer. I have said this before, but only by way of defending myself against just the sort of ignorant assumption that you have made. It’s not a boast that I make.

Sadly this election is bringing out the worst in some posters.

Whitewavemark2

Just listening to a historian (Ian Goldin Oxford) who is explaining that migration is normal at the moment which is about 3% - and has been the case throughout the world for at least the past 100 years.

It is just that people are susceptible to the idea of scapegoating because they are largely ignorant of the facts.

It is a tragedy that economic migrants are conflated with genuine refugees.

By all means have the debate about economic migrants, but be in no doubt of the ethical, moral and humane international law and requirement surrounding asylum seekers.

The facts are that the population has increased by 6 million since the Tories came in. The UK now has a population of 67 million in a country the size of a pocket handkerchief. And yet people are still pouring in from all over the world. We just can't keep up.

It's not about demonising immigrants as some people dramatically claim, it's about numbers of immigrants. It's about insufficient housing, schools, hospitals, roads and don't forget sewage.

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@maybee70 I thought your comments about GSM germanshephersdmum were personal and unnecessary. There is a separate post on this site about posters being wary of posting and your message may prevent others from posting

Thank you Coronation. Perhaps MayBee isn’t feeling 100% today - this isn’t like her in my experience.

I wish Labour good luck in tackling the people smugglers. A bit like a game of wackamole get one lot and more replace them.
People only risk the sea crossing from France because if they are lucky it works. If every time they were picked up by our rescue boats they were returned promptly to the beaches in France the journey may prove to be futile. This depends on whether the government's of France and the UK genuinely want to save lives or as I suspect the French are glad to wave them goodbye

Migration has remained at 3% for at least 100 years.

glammagran

Only some of the migrants coming in on boats are genuine refugees. The rest are economic migrants. Why are so many Vietnamese coming here? It’s not at war or a particularly poor country. Have you seen the expensive coats and phones many single men have when they get here? Where do they get the funds to travel here if they are destitute? They are here to milk us dry. So many abscond almost immediately they arrive. We will be taken over by Islam within a few years. You will be taxed on your savings to pay for all these “unfortunates”. WAKE UP!!!

But this post is racist.

And not best informed. Vietnamese people are mainly Buddhists.

The north of Vietnam is a very poor country and
they are definitely a group that people smugglers have targeted big time for some time, back of lorries being the original way.

Coronation

@maybee70 I thought your comments about GSM germanshephersdmum were personal and unnecessary. There is a separate post on this site about posters being wary of posting and your message may prevent others from posting

I agree.

GSM has given advice here to posters on GN many times, and more than once to the same poster. And she's done pro bono work.

Her politics aren't mine, but that's no reason to be rude. She's as entitled to her view as anyone else, and the way she expresses it - and some who oppose her politically don't hesitate to filter their opinions either.