Today is the 8th anniversary of the vote to leave the EU

Primrose53

This morning I saw an old friend. She was moaning because “Brexit has ruined my life”. She says she was only allowed to stay 90 days in The Netherlands. She goes in her campervan.

My son was with me and said “it’s well off old hippies like her who didn’t want Brexit.” She is 60 doesn’t work, owns a cottage by the sea here and rents out her other house in London.
It’s a tough old life.😝

QED I think...

PhilJaz

If the remoaners had accepted the result, and not tried at every move to overturn it the EU negotiators would not have been in such a strong position to force their demands on to us

I really doubt that is true.

But it's a handy excuse.

MaizieD

Primrose53

This morning I saw an old friend. She was moaning because “Brexit has ruined my life”. She says she was only allowed to stay 90 days in The Netherlands. She goes in her campervan.

My son was with me and said “it’s well off old hippies like her who didn’t want Brexit.” She is 60 doesn’t work, owns a cottage by the sea here and rents out her other house in London.
It’s a tough old life.😝

QED I think...

So she was 52 when we had the referendum?

How does your son know how she voted?
He is generalising. 52 isn't old nor did all older people vote to leave.

Primrose53

This morning I saw an old friend. She was moaning because “Brexit has ruined my life”. She says she was only allowed to stay 90 days in The Netherlands. She goes in her campervan.

My son was with me and said “it’s well off old hippies like her who didn’t want Brexit.” She is 60 doesn’t work, owns a cottage by the sea here and rents out her other house in London.
It’s a tough old life.😝

Obviously life was better for your friend before Brexit with freedom of movement. Surely we all want the best life we can have and why not?

Some of us manage to achieve that and others don't. Politics of envy perhaps?

At the moment I'm envious of those who can travel as and when they wish. My DH and I are both suffering from intermittent health problems and so cannot plan a holiday. The last time we went away was pre-covid. I had planned a trip to Marseilles but had to cancel because of our health and I'm a bit pissed off about that.

However the bar our village has just reopened and we sat outside with a cold beer listening to the river and it was just like being on holiday so I am grateful.

It's the scoffing at people who say that they have lost something they value because of Brexit that gets me. Particularly if they appeared to be wealthy and had lost something that the Leave voter didn't want...

Even more so when it is someone's livelihood or job opportunities that have been lost.

I'm wondering what thing of value these Leave voters would have lost had the vote gone the other way?

Incidentally, I don't really care what colour my passport is. It is the loss of the freedoms the EU one gave me that I dislike.

MaizieD

It's the scoffing at people who say that they have lost something they value because of Brexit that gets me. Particularly if they appeared to be wealthy and had lost something that the Leave voter didn't want...

Even more so when it is someone's livelihood or job opportunities that have been lost.

I'm wondering what thing of value these Leave voters would have lost had the vote gone the other way?

Incidentally, I don't really care what colour my passport is. It is the loss of the freedoms the EU one gave me that I dislike.

It's the scoffing at people who say that they have lost something they value because of Brexit that gets me.

Yup.

We (OH and me) lost our business. It wasn't a huge outfit, but the income stream was helpful. We could have continued, admittedly, but the effort-to-reward ratio just wasn't worth it.

So, as a remoaner 'loser', I've got over it, sucked it up and moved on (I think that more or less covers the catalogue of insults). Life doesn't always give you what you want or run smoothly.

I don't think much about it now, only on odd occasions when I talk to my ex-colleagues in Europe, even then, we have other things to chat about. But when individuals sneer at those whose lives have changed because of Brexit - sometimes quite dramatically - then it does raise my hackles and I can be equally 'snarky'. There's precious little graciousness from the 'winners' in their 'victory'.

It's not, for us, about the money though. My OH's physical world is diminishing as his disabilities increase. The business was something he could work at as it simply involved him using his brain and drawing on his 40 years work experience - and it gave him a focus and sense of purpose. That is what he's lost.

Dickens

PhilJaz

If the remoaners had accepted the result, and not tried at every move to overturn it the EU negotiators would not have been in such a strong position to force their demands on to us

I really doubt that is true.

But it's a handy excuse.

The problems that were raised by the remain campaign actually came to fruition; that’s what caused the problems. And no one seemed to mention Ireland, who, let’s not forget, didn’t even vote for it.

Maybee 👍

On this very forum, Gisela Stewart* told us that, if we voted leave, our energy bills would come down
*you know, the one that b******d off straight after the result….

Dinahmo

Primrose53

This morning I saw an old friend. She was moaning because “Brexit has ruined my life”. She says she was only allowed to stay 90 days in The Netherlands. She goes in her campervan.

My son was with me and said “it’s well off old hippies like her who didn’t want Brexit.” She is 60 doesn’t work, owns a cottage by the sea here and rents out her other house in London.
It’s a tough old life.😝

Obviously life was better for your friend before Brexit with freedom of movement. Surely we all want the best life we can have and why not?

Some of us manage to achieve that and others don't. Politics of envy perhaps?

At the moment I'm envious of those who can travel as and when they wish. My DH and I are both suffering from intermittent health problems and so cannot plan a holiday. The last time we went away was pre-covid. I had planned a trip to Marseilles but had to cancel because of our health and I'm a bit pissed off about that.

However the bar our village has just reopened and we sat outside with a cold beer listening to the river and it was just like being on holiday so I am grateful.

Sorry to hear of your health problems, but sitting somewhere with a cold beer in the sunshine can be lovely without going anywhere.
We haven’t had a holiday in years, but yesterday we sat in our yard for an hour, no garden but have done my best with flowering plants in pots, and two comfy rattan chairs and we had a cold Stella and it was wonderful and relaxing.

Art installation entitled “Brexit”

I was stunned when the vote was leave, I knew pretty much what the consequences would be, in the end it was somewhat worse.

Why anyone believed the cherry picking diatribe Johnson et al were promoting is beyond me.

You do not leave a club or partnership then expect to have special treatment afterwards, the EUs position was exactly as I expected accept our rules or go your own way, there have been very few compromises

There seems to be a strong belief that the UK deserved special treatment. Weren't we told "we hold all the cards"?

Remember when the Prime Minister of Luxembourg said something to the effect of ‘well, when the UK were in the EU they always wanted the option to opt out but now they’ve left they want the option to opt in’.

David49

I was stunned when the vote was leave, I knew pretty much what the consequences would be, in the end it was somewhat worse.

Why anyone believed the cherry picking diatribe Johnson et al were promoting is beyond me.

You do not leave a club or partnership then expect to have special treatment afterwards, the EUs position was exactly as I expected accept our rules or go your own way, there have been very few compromises

You do not leave a club or partnership then expect to have special treatment afterwards, the EUs position was exactly as I expected accept our rules or go your own way, there have been very few compromises

But if that can be re-framed as the EU punishing us for our 'bold' decision to leave - and that's what our RW media attempted to do - then it will re-enforce Brexit voters' belief that they were right.

Personally, I think the issue is that we, in Britain, are not team-players. We were, once, top-dog on the world-stage, weren't we?

I think when people say they want to make Britain 'great' again, that is what they might be referring to?

Anyway, we didn't want to be part of European integration, that's for sure.

Agreed. We voted to leave. Can’t expect special treatment after that. We're either in or out. Simple as that.

We're out, but we can and I hope for the sake of business and farmers make modifications to trade, tariffs, customs and trading standards with the EU without going 'back in". given they are our nearest neighbours and biggest market, its fully in our interests to do that.
This isnt an anti-leave" measure, its pragmatic consideration of whats best for growth.

Feverjo

Agreed. We voted to leave. Can’t expect special treatment after that. We're either in or out. Simple as that.

Not in the opinion of many leavers and Farage followers who insist that Brexit 'hasn't been done properly.' 😆

Wyllow3

We're out, but we can and I hope for the sake of business and farmers make modifications to trade, tariffs, customs and trading standards with the EU without going 'back in". given they are our nearest neighbours and biggest market, its fully in our interests to do that.
This isnt an anti-leave" measure, its pragmatic consideration of whats best for growth.

The ball is in our court, even now if we accept their regulations trade could be much easier and in time a customs union.

We are not Great Britain any more we are a little island with a large and growing population, we are exploiting diminishing natural resources. Meeting demands for better public services is going to be increasingly difficult.

What 'diminishing resources' are you referring to, David?

MaizieD

What 'diminishing resources' are you referring to, David?

Gas, oil, minerals, we are exploiting decreasing quantities, we are not reducing consumption, importing instead, much of it from the EU, so many of our core industries are dominated by foreign companies.

We shouldn't be exploiting oil or gas, we should leave it in the ground.

OTOH, we should be developing green energy resources. There is much more that could be done, both in r & d and in pursuing policies such as requiring new developments, domestic & industrial, to use solar power for electricity and water heating. And mandating the use of heat pumps for new developments. And retrofitting effects insulation in our old properties.

Tough for people who rely on oil or gas heating, petrol or diesel cars. Some older properties have limited capacity for insulation.

MaizieD

We shouldn't be exploiting oil or gas, we should leave it in the ground.

OTOH, we should be developing green energy resources. There is much more that could be done, both in r & d and in pursuing policies such as requiring new developments, domestic & industrial, to use solar power for electricity and water heating. And mandating the use of heat pumps for new developments. And retrofitting effects insulation in our old properties.

We’re going to be using oil and gas for many decades so that’s totally unrealistic, we have virtually no renewable industry in the UK it’s all imported, the nuclear industry is mostly run by the French.
How can we hope to improve with all the profit going out of the UK.

In 'many decades' the planet will be dying, burning up or flooded and the global population fighting for the barely habitable bits that are left. So I suppose any radical attempt to try to stop or slow down that scenario is pointless.

Oh well 🫤