Today is the 8th anniversary of the vote to leave the EU

Vintagegirl

Oh dear so the new UK passport is black! Why not return to the pre Eu one of navy blue? I am dual nationality but do not see a reason to renew my UK passport. It used to be handy when waved thru at busy European crossings many years ago. I was not allowed to add my children to my passport when Thatcher removed that option in the 1980's as they were not born in England so I let it lapse. Nowadays even babies need their own document.

It’s dark navy, not black.

What a fuss over nothing. Buy yourself a cover in any colour you like if it bothers you that much. 😒

yggdrasil

a) it wasn't a vote, it was a referendum
b) There should have been a level of agreement both on the number of people participating, and the majority yes or no. This is what is usual with referenda.
c) the difference between yes and no was minimal, no clear majority shown. And there were consideralby fewer than 50% of the electorate involved
To make it clear, it was a false result, and should have been rerun without the lies on the bus, and we would be a lot better off with a valid result, whichever way it went

Well said!!

Amalegra

Brexit could have done great things for this country. Unfortunately it has been wasted by our incompetent government. But I am personally quite content not to be ruled from Brussels nor to have to follow their diktats any longer.

What did Brussels and its diktats make you do?

Boris Johnson might also be interested (on the quiet, of course) to hear - because he once said that our problems were home grown, not caused by Brussels.

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I agree the vote for Brexit was partly anti-foreigner and driven by racist undertones in some cases. Cameron should never have proceeded with the referendum regardless of his manifesto.

Dickens

Amalegra

Brexit could have done great things for this country. Unfortunately it has been wasted by our incompetent government. But I am personally quite content not to be ruled from Brussels nor to have to follow their diktats any longer.

What did Brussels and its diktats make you do?

Boris Johnson might also be interested (on the quiet, of course) to hear - because he once said that our problems were home grown, not caused by Brussels.

Maybe the diktats that a lot of the other nations didn't have to abide by. The rules that were in place for us to follow and for them to ignore.
The fact that their retirement age is often lower than ours, that their farmers received better subsidies than ours.
A Federal Europe would make things fairer, more united, and ultimately stronger.

I agree the vote for Brexit was partly anti-foreigner and driven by racist undertones in some cases.
I'm glad you added in some cases * Grantanow*. ^Some posters would have it that it was ALL racist, which is an insult to some people's intelligence.

Sorry for the * and ^ which didn't work.
I've just drank a few glasses of a good wine this evening. 🍷

Ireland is in the EU. We have thousands of Irish homeless, our health service is permanently in crisis, new EU 'green' rules are causing immension dissension, (the 'entitled still fly everywhere despite the carbon costs), young people are out of control on our capital's streets, there are few houses to rent or buy, courts low sentencing maintains crime figures, and corruption is rampant in some quarters. In or out, what's the difference? These are problems which seem to be beyond solution. The EU has made for lazy government, imo.

Sorry, above, 'dissent'.

Despite the propaganda, each state in the EU are individual states - they raise their own taxes, run their own education and health services, housing policies etc etc trade is much easier and there are trading, environmental and food safety rules to follow of course, but Ireland and other states would not be magically better off outside of the EU as the UK has learned to it’s cost.

Exactly * lvegansrock* they do their own thing, what suits them best. I'm not saying that's wrong, but the thinking isn't very joined up on certain issues.

Sorry, more 🍷. * * In fact finished the bottle!

To revert to 'farmers', the few farmers I know thought that the Brexit vote was madness. When you look at the voting estimates for farmers it was more or less an even split.

The reduction in subsidy is considerable, which makes it difficult for all but the large scale factory farms..

Joseann

Dickens

Amalegra

Brexit could have done great things for this country. Unfortunately it has been wasted by our incompetent government. But I am personally quite content not to be ruled from Brussels nor to have to follow their diktats any longer.

What did Brussels and its diktats make you do?

Boris Johnson might also be interested (on the quiet, of course) to hear - because he once said that our problems were home grown, not caused by Brussels.

Maybe the diktats that a lot of the other nations didn't have to abide by. The rules that were in place for us to follow and for them to ignore.
The fact that their retirement age is often lower than ours, that their farmers received better subsidies than ours.
A Federal Europe would make things fairer, more united, and ultimately stronger.

I'm pretty sure that individual countries are free to set their own retirement age - this is not dictated by the EU.

As for those other diktats:

Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix.

In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%.

Source FULL FACT

I do wonder how those diktats affect the ordinary-man-in-the street though.

I agree about farming.

But how are farmers fairing now? They don't appear to be too pleased according to a survey of the NFU. There seems to be a lot of instability and uncertainty.

Though I admit I've not looked into it to see how the government is boosting productivity, and there are a lot of challenges, not least by rising costs caused by the war in Ukraine.

Didn’t the NFU advise its member to vote remain? But their fields were full of placards saying give us our country back thereby influencing a lot of other people to vote leave .

The NFU did advise a Remain vote.

I do recall a lot of Leave voters being quite jubilant over having got one over the greedy landowners who got £millions in subsidies from the EU.

They could be similarly scornful or triumphant about middle class Remainers with au pairs, or holiday homes in the EU...

I live in a farming county, and also lived in a farming region of France.
Most Devon farmers I know are pleased they are out of the CAP because we are now able to set our own agricultural rules, as well as our import tarifs.
What we now need to do now in the UK is to take more advantage of those freedoms.
Meanwhile, in France, French farmers recieve around 20% of the total paid out in the year, and always have had the lion's share. I think it's around 20%, with Germany close behind. The UK received a miserable amount in comparison. My French farming friends, who have a pig farming Brittany say that subsidies account for nearly a third of income on French farms.

Britain after Brexit just seems to be a more boring place. There also seem to be fewer groups of young foreign schoolchildren coming as visitors in the Summer - probably owing to mountains of red tape required now.

What some people have never grasped it seems to me is that the EU is one market place, where everyone plays by the rules thus allowing an even surface for all businesses. Where business feel aggrieved they are free to take their grievance to the ECJ

So everything to do with business activities snd supply of goods snd services come under common rules, this makes it fair for all businesses.

This does NOT INCLUDE domestic law, so a country is entirely free to make its own laws etc where it does not impinge on trade, or unfair practices.

Because confusion appears to be widespread concerning this fact, politicians like Farage, who are less than honest have been able to exploit this lack of knowledge.

Stayed up all night and what a fabulous night it was !We got our independence back and still these remainers can’t accept democratic vote .

And look what good it’s done us….

Zoe65

Stayed up all night and what a fabulous night it was !We got our independence back and still these remainers can’t accept democratic vote .

One can accept something but dont have to like it!

There were no details in the vote as to "what sort of Brexit".

The sooner the vital changes are made on customs and tariffs, trades standards, the better for British business. (and will help in NI)..so we can trade more profitably with the huge nearest neighbour EU.

My great neice has just flown to St Lucia to do a years University led work experience in her field. There is still opportunities for furthering education in other parts of the World. Even in Europe although not as easily as before.

No. Not one.