Today is the 8th anniversary of the vote to leave the EU

Ladyleftfieldlover

What does ‘getting back our sovereignty’ mean, exactly?

Ha! Never had an answer to that one. Maybe it provoked some thoughts of Land of Hope an Glory / This sceptered isle and all that.
Vera Lynn.
Something appealing about " getting back"

I don’t have a dog Maybee and never took my cat abroad when I had one. I think Joseann takes her dog regularly to her house in France.

I assume that people who say travelling to Europe is just as easy as it was before aren’t taking their dog with them. Not sure about the difficulty aspect but do know it’s quite expensive getting the necessary paperwork from vets.

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maddyone

Why weren’t you allowed to vote mokryna?

Whereas my French friends can vote wherever they live and for as long as they live, 700,000 British citizens were denied their democratic right if the were working abroad for more than 15 years.
It is a nuisance to have to count my days spent in the UK on my UK tax form. Looking to the future I will be limited in the days visiting my DD to help out with childcare.
I post my UK vote yesterday 😊😊😊

We went to France in late August in 2022. Maybe a little extra queuing but nothing that would put me off going again if we wanted too. Entering France and Spain this year via air travel was quick and uncomplicated, and the same with entering Greece every year. It’s no different than when we enter New Zealand when we go there. Queues at Gatwick are always long because it’s a busy airport, but really, it’s about ten minutes to clear re entry to Britain. There are much more important reasons to regret Brexit than the colour of the passport you use or having to queue ten minutes to clear customs.

^Did you know anyone, have any sympathy for the business owners who lost everything when 10 countries joined the Eu in 2004 thereby flooding the market with cheap Labour.
I do!!!^

petra I do not quite understand the above remarks. Were all the immigrants who came in small business men ready to immediately set up shops and workshops and offer professional services?

I thought the advantage was that it brought extra labour in and solved a worker shortage, so that small businesses were not held back by being unable to find enough staff to expand and build their businesses.

More generally, what Brexiteers need to remember is that the vote was exceedingly close. In any real democracy, in those corcumstances, whichever side has won, they would bear in mind how evenly spread the votes were and take that into account when implementing Brexit.

As for visa problems, we had a holiday home in France until Easter and travelled across to France up to 10 times a year. The queues and waiting time certainly grew after Brexit, because instead of coming off the ferry in Ouistrehem and just driving away, we now have to queue to get our passport stamped befoe we can travel on, and we have sometimes queued for an hour or more to get through passport control.

There is the same problem when we leave, plus extra customs control, so that after experiencing 30 years of travel without ever having a customs check on the French side. In the last few years they have suddenly become frequent, causing further delays on the way home.

I remember the feelings of that day so well. I despaired for the future, for my adult children, my grandkids and for our countries here in the UK. A most depressing day, even more so for those in Scotland who wanted to remain. Why oh why?

petra

MayBee70

I’m afraid that when people give first hand accounts of the hardship and heartache that Brexit has caused them it falls on deaf ears to those who don’t seem to have been affected by it

Did you know anyone, have any sympathy for the business owners who lost everything when 10 countries joined the Eu in 2004 thereby flooding the market with cheap Labour.
I do!!!

Not really but I’m happy for you to tell me more. But did Brexit make things better for them? To be honest I was talking more about personal accounts by individuals. Someone I know who originally came from Europe, who had dedicated his life to working for the NHS, had a breakdown because of Brexit.

Why weren’t you allowed to vote mokryna?

Hyperbole

MayBee70

I’m afraid that when people give first hand accounts of the hardship and heartache that Brexit has caused them it falls on deaf ears to those who don’t seem to have been affected by it

Did you know anyone, have any sympathy for the business owners who lost everything when 10 countries joined the Eu in 2004 thereby flooding the market with cheap Labour.
I do!!!

Primrose53

Glorianny

For all those posting that opportunities are still available for students and others they are severely restricted by the time limitations on visiting the Schengen zone. You are only allowed 90 days in any 180 day period. Not enough for any student course.
People who work in the travel industry are finding this increasingly difficult to deal with. The tour guide on my last holiday told us he was held up at the airport once as an official tried to check the stamps on his passport to find out if he was breaking the rules.
We really should have a day of mourning for lost chances.

Our family and friends have travelled abroad a lot since Brexit and have not encountered a single problem at airports. Most recently earlier this month. Straight through in Ibiza and coming home.

All that garbage my old schoolfriend spouted to anybody who would listen about getting visas, massive queues etc was a load of scaremongering bilge, but it did her and thr Remainers no good at all! 🤣🤪🤣🤪

I think you are talking about holidays, not everyday life and business.
I wasn’t allowed to vote nor were my friends, we were cheated. I do pay UK taxes. I haven’t met one person working in Europe who did.
My DD working at the NHS noticed how many EU staff left and still haven't been replaced.
It will not be our age group that will suffer but our grandchildren who will not be offered the possibilities of education and studies.
I have voted this time😊

In case any of you don't know:

The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) is an international treaty between the States of the Council of Europe. The United Kingdom was one of the States that drafted the ECHR and was one of the first States to ratify it in 1951. The Convention came into force in 1953.

It is something that we should be very proud of.

We have thrown away our nearest, free trading partners and are still desperately looking for others further afield. Once upon a time we liked our neighbours in Europe but now we have become xenophobic and bitter.
When I was in the extra long queue for passport control on Friday, someone in the fast lane turned to me and joked about the stupid English. I ofcourse replied that we in Scotland voted remain but it didn't change a thing.

What does ‘getting back our sovereignty’ mean, exactly?

Primrose53

Glorianny

For all those posting that opportunities are still available for students and others they are severely restricted by the time limitations on visiting the Schengen zone. You are only allowed 90 days in any 180 day period. Not enough for any student course.
People who work in the travel industry are finding this increasingly difficult to deal with. The tour guide on my last holiday told us he was held up at the airport once as an official tried to check the stamps on his passport to find out if he was breaking the rules.
We really should have a day of mourning for lost chances.

Our family and friends have travelled abroad a lot since Brexit and have not encountered a single problem at airports. Most recently earlier this month. Straight through in Ibiza and coming home.

All that garbage my old schoolfriend spouted to anybody who would listen about getting visas, massive queues etc was a load of scaremongering bilge, but it did her and thr Remainers no good at all! 🤣🤪🤣🤪

That may be but if you spend more than 90 days in any 180 days in the Schengen zone you are breaking the law and can be fined or sent home
Each Schengen Area country has its own set and standards for penalties for overstays; however, individuals who exceed the 90-day period will typically be issued with a monetary fine and an order to depart the country and entirety of the Schengen Area within a certain period of time (sometimes immediately)

In addition to the immediate consequences of fines and deportation, non-compliance with the 90/180 day rule may result in future difficulties when attempting to enter the Schengen Area. These individuals may face additional scrutiny during entries/exits from the area and, in serious circumstances, may even be banned from entering the zone entirely for a certain period of time

It is why they now stamp your passport, so an official can, if they wish to, check your history and calculate the length of your stay.

They haven't had the guts to leave the ECHR which is ruining our country.

How?

If your answer involves Rwanda, please cite the ECHR case details.

It has to be remembered that this corrupt government hae betrayed the Brexit vote. They have deliberately kept us tied to many EU rules. We have been able to do deals with other countries, but our hands are still tied. They haven't had the guts to leave the ECHR which is ruining our country. We still haven't got back our Sovereignty, so it is a myth that we are worse off for Brexit when in actual fact, full Brexit has not been implemented. We are far worse off with EU rules.

I am as sure as I can be that closer working will eventually be negotiated, and I’m sure that most businesses are hoping for at least something similar to the Norway EEA.

I don’t expect that to happen too soon though because of the existence of Brexit dinosaurs who are still fighting for the British empire, and the EU needs to be convinced. But it will come I have no doubt.

Primrose53

Germanshepherdsmum

Hasn’t affected me either keepingquiet. As Oreo has said, there are other reasons for the increased cost of living. I voted to remain, but frankly when we were able to have the covid vaccine ahead of the EU I was glad we had left. And I wouldn’t now wish to rejoin.

That’s refreshing to hear. I would have been the same had the referendum gone the other way. I would have accepted it and moved on. germanshepherdsmum

I don’t think it's healthy for people to hang on to all this bitterness for years and admit to crying for days just because the votes didn’t go their way.

I had an old schoolfriend who moved to Spain. In the run up to the referendum she was posting on social media several times a day. Awful scaremongering rubbish and ridiculing and belittling anybody who planned to vote Leave.

When the result was announced she nearly lost her mind. She was posting so much really nasty stuff about people voting Leave that other old schoolfriends questioned her sanity. I cannot imagine holding on to all that hatred just because the result wasn’t what you wished for.😱

It's very comforting, isn't it, to portray Remain voters as a load of psychological wrecks?

Much easier than owning up to the damage your vote has done to all the people whose life and livelihoods were closely bound up in the EU. They're just hysterical Remoaners whose difficulties don't count..

Not to mention the corrupt and incompetent government your voter imposed on us which the majority of people in this country are dying to get rid of...

Posts like yours just make me angry all over again.

Glorianny

For all those posting that opportunities are still available for students and others they are severely restricted by the time limitations on visiting the Schengen zone. You are only allowed 90 days in any 180 day period. Not enough for any student course.
People who work in the travel industry are finding this increasingly difficult to deal with. The tour guide on my last holiday told us he was held up at the airport once as an official tried to check the stamps on his passport to find out if he was breaking the rules.
We really should have a day of mourning for lost chances.

Our family and friends have travelled abroad a lot since Brexit and have not encountered a single problem at airports. Most recently earlier this month. Straight through in Ibiza and coming home.

All that garbage my old schoolfriend spouted to anybody who would listen about getting visas, massive queues etc was a load of scaremongering bilge, but it did her and thr Remainers no good at all! 🤣🤪🤣🤪

I was gutted. I felt proud to be a UK citizen in an agreement with nearest neighbours. Separate but in a good trading position with them. Never felt "dictated to" - we had our UK voice.

We have lost out substantially trade wise. The promised benefits of being out and supposed new trade advantages have simply not materialised. amongst others who've posted here,

I ask, where are the new super trade advantages what deals have we done that have made any significant difference whatsoever.

No wonder our growth is so low.

After the decision it was chaotic in government. Those years under May when the government should have been attending to domestic matters when the DUP held sway - and we still haven't settled the NI question.

Then a hard Brexit which imposed tariffs, made customs difficult, created price rises across the board and made it diffract to get supplies of various kinds:

and created a right mess of trades and standards regulations for businesses and farmers.

DS is also clear what difference it made in the uni he works in.
We robbed our young people of opportunities.

I think many voted leave because of the promises of money for the NHS and other benefits like the imaginary expansion of job s for UK citizens - which have not materialised.

I look forward not to a rejoining but for an easement of trading relations, removal of tariffs, and better customs arrangements, and trades and standards clarity which allow us to trade within Europe.

ExDancer

But we haven't fully left! We are only 'left' with the worst of both worlds!

What do you mean 'we haven't fully left'?

We ceased to be a member of the EU at the beginning of 2021. We did what Leave voters advised in that advisory referendum. We left.

WTF were you expecting to happen?

For all those posting that opportunities are still available for students and others they are severely restricted by the time limitations on visiting the Schengen zone. You are only allowed 90 days in any 180 day period. Not enough for any student course.
People who work in the travel industry are finding this increasingly difficult to deal with. The tour guide on my last holiday told us he was held up at the airport once as an official tried to check the stamps on his passport to find out if he was breaking the rules.
We really should have a day of mourning for lost chances.