Keir starmer

Chestnut

MayBee70 Well, a friend of mine runs a support group for local asylum seekers. They help out in the local community. Would probably be working if they were processed quicker. If it was closer to me and my health was bit better I’d be helping her.

That is great in an area where help is needed in the local community. There are some very run down areas which would benefit greatly from volunteers. However, the area where the centre is located is very rural with a low population, so I doubt the area requires help from asylum seekers.

Well, that’s the fault of the people who decided to send them there, not the asylum seekers themselves.

Germanshepherdsmum

*Cossy*, we are paying these lawyers. What we pay them comes from the legal aid budget. My remarks are made as a lawyer to whom professional ethics and integrity are paramount. This is nothing to do with being inept or unprofessional. It’s about lying and fabricating stories and advising that being baptised or pretending to be gay will get you through an appeal tribunal. Do you think that’s remotely acceptable? If you had a human rights issue there are plenty of decent law firms who would act for you - but with integrity and within the bounds of professional ethics.

I get that, so it’s not ALL human rights lawyers you so dislike? Just those who “cheat” the system? I’m with you there. I also know how small the legal aid budget is now and how many deserving people are denied it.

BevSec

I have heard reports of boatloads waiting until Starmer gets elected before making the crossing 😱

Yes you read this in The Telegraph, a right wing paper. Immigrants in France are entitled to say whatever they wish, and newspapers are free to print it.

It doesn’t make what they say true or factual.

Cossy, we are paying these lawyers. What we pay them comes from the legal aid budget. My remarks are made as a lawyer to whom professional ethics and integrity are paramount. This is nothing to do with being inept or unprofessional. It’s about lying and fabricating stories and advising that being baptised or pretending to be gay will get you through an appeal tribunal. Do you think that’s remotely acceptable? If you had a human rights issue there are plenty of decent law firms who would act for you - but with integrity and within the bounds of professional ethics.

MayBee70 Well, a friend of mine runs a support group for local asylum seekers. They help out in the local community. Would probably be working if they were processed quicker. If it was closer to me and my health was bit better I’d be helping her.

That is great in an area where help is needed in the local community. There are some very run down areas which would benefit greatly from volunteers. However, the area where the centre is located is very rural with a low population, so I doubt the area requires help from asylum seekers.

Germanshepherdsmum

Working as what? And helping out how? Have they all passed a DBS check?

I think you know they cannot be DBS checked GSM, and they do not need to be unless they are being left alone with vulnerable groups of people, and I’m sure that they are not left alone!

Honestly, I’m utterly appalled at some of the comments on here, the awful expressions used, the constant assertion that the LP will open “the floodgates” to let in “all” the asylum seekers, with absolutely no evidence of this.

Some of the remarks about Human Rights Lawyers are so unfair and quite appalling. I agree that “pretending” to be gay/Christian etc is totally wrong and I’d say, frankly, some lawyers in all areas are inept and unprofessional, however, and I’m sure I’m not alone, I’d want a lawyer to fight my corner if I ever had an issue with my human rights!

Working as what? And helping out how? Have they all passed a DBS check?

When the OP is about a specific lefty lawyer, and you then use the exact description in a post, do you really expect anyone to believe that yours was a non sequitur, and you didn't mean the same person?

Chestnut

MayBee70

Germanshepherdsmum

As I’m sure you know, Elgran, I’m talking about the grubby little law firms who depend on legal aid to represent illegal immigrants, who we as taxpayers effectively pay and who take vast amounts out of the legal aid budget. Lawyers who are strangers to ethics and the truth, hence some have been struck off.

I too find it ominous Chestnut. My son lives in a beautiful village which adjoins one in which there is an asylum seekers’ centre. They are seen wandering aimlessly around my son’s village, where as a result of the nearby centre the property market is absolutely dead. They have been placed in a totally inappropriate rural area with no services. However, I realise that Rayner’s intelligence is limited so this is not something she would understand, let alone care about. I wonder if Labour are preparing ‘Immigrants Welcome’ signs, a la Mutti?

What a horrible snobbish thing to say about Rayner.

GSM has just posted a seriously worrying story about the migrants and all you can worry about is a mention of Angela Rayner! What is your response to the story?

Well, a friend of mine runs a support group for local asylum seekers. They help out in the local community. Would probably be working if they were processed quicker. If it was closer to me and my health was bit better I’d be helping her.

I would like to know too. Is growstuff’s knowledge greater than that of someone (who is not a racist) who lives in the next village?

Your comments about ‘pretending to be gay’ are repeating a Braverman lie, GSM. The Home Office confirmed, in November 2023 in response to an FoI request from Open Democracy, that there was no evidence to substantiate her claim.

What is the whole picture growstuff?

Germanshepherdsmum

As I’m sure you know, Elgran, I’m talking about the grubby little law firms who depend on legal aid to represent illegal immigrants, who we as taxpayers effectively pay and who take vast amounts out of the legal aid budget. Lawyers who are strangers to ethics and the truth, hence some have been struck off.

I too find it ominous Chestnut. My son lives in a beautiful village which adjoins one in which there is an asylum seekers’ centre. They are seen wandering aimlessly around my son’s village, where as a result of the nearby centre the property market is absolutely dead. They have been placed in a totally inappropriate rural area with no services. However, I realise that Rayner’s intelligence is limited so this is not something she would understand, let alone care about. I wonder if Labour are preparing ‘Immigrants Welcome’ signs, a la Mutti?

Your report about Wethersfield isn't the whole picture. Don't forget I'm familiar with it too.

MayBee70

Well, for one thing her reference to grubby little lawyers is pretty unpleasant, too.

If as she says they are strangers to ethics and the truth and some have been struck off then they definitely ARE grubby little lawyers!

Do you approve of lawyers who are paid by the taxpayer to invent stories for their clients, advise them to get baptised, advise them to pretend they are gay, MayBee? I don’t. It’s unethical and it’s grubby.

MayBee, there are countries of origin to which asylum seekers are not returned. Sunak made it very clear in last night’s debate that Starmer will not be negotiating with the leaders of those countries. It’s no good saying ‘he probably has a plan to return people to their countries of origin’. He doesn’t. You seem to rely on blind faith.

Well, for one thing her reference to grubby little lawyers is pretty unpleasant, too.

MayBee70

Germanshepherdsmum

As I’m sure you know, Elgran, I’m talking about the grubby little law firms who depend on legal aid to represent illegal immigrants, who we as taxpayers effectively pay and who take vast amounts out of the legal aid budget. Lawyers who are strangers to ethics and the truth, hence some have been struck off.

I too find it ominous Chestnut. My son lives in a beautiful village which adjoins one in which there is an asylum seekers’ centre. They are seen wandering aimlessly around my son’s village, where as a result of the nearby centre the property market is absolutely dead. They have been placed in a totally inappropriate rural area with no services. However, I realise that Rayner’s intelligence is limited so this is not something she would understand, let alone care about. I wonder if Labour are preparing ‘Immigrants Welcome’ signs, a la Mutti?

What a horrible snobbish thing to say about Rayner.

GSM has just posted a seriously worrying story about the migrants and all you can worry about is a mention of Angela Rayner! What is your response to the story?

MayBee70

He will probably have a plan for returning people who aren’t granted asylum here back to their country of original. As it stands with the lack of organisation under the Tories they just stay here and disappear.

Really and pigs might fly 😂

How can they be returned to their own country when most of them have destroyed their ID papers.

You really are naive.

I didn't mean literally (with open arms) but there are migrants waiting until next week before launching their boats so they must have some idea of what to expect. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see, then resume this discussion in six months when we can see where the land lies.

Germanshepherdsmum

As I’m sure you know, Elgran, I’m talking about the grubby little law firms who depend on legal aid to represent illegal immigrants, who we as taxpayers effectively pay and who take vast amounts out of the legal aid budget. Lawyers who are strangers to ethics and the truth, hence some have been struck off.

I too find it ominous Chestnut. My son lives in a beautiful village which adjoins one in which there is an asylum seekers’ centre. They are seen wandering aimlessly around my son’s village, where as a result of the nearby centre the property market is absolutely dead. They have been placed in a totally inappropriate rural area with no services. However, I realise that Rayner’s intelligence is limited so this is not something she would understand, let alone care about. I wonder if Labour are preparing ‘Immigrants Welcome’ signs, a la Mutti?

What a horrible snobbish thing to say about Rayner.

He will probably have a plan for returning people who aren’t granted asylum here back to their country of original. As it stands with the lack of organisation under the Tories they just stay here and disappear.

I'm not sure that the hysterical hyperbole we're being subjected to actually qualifies as 'debate', Dickens

Chestnut

Casdon

Where did you hear that BevSec, on a Reform conspiracy website? Do post us your source so we can check out the veracity?

I read that too and it definitely wasn't on a Reform website, it was on MSM somewhere. Just wait until next week, the numbers will skyrocket. They know Starmer will welcome them with open arms. Like most people, I am for controlled immigration, but when Labour take charge there will be no control.

... They know Starmer will welcome them with open arms

Yes, of course he will. In fact he'll regularly be patrolling the beaches holding a placard saying "welcome to the UK".



Seriously, he may not have a plan that you agree with, and his plan may not even be a game-changer but he isn't going to be "welcoming them with open arms" for crying out loud.

Honestly, this kind of debate is really scraping the barrel.