Keir starmer

As I’m sure you know, Elgran, I’m talking about the grubby little law firms who depend on legal aid to represent illegal immigrants, who we as taxpayers effectively pay and who take vast amounts out of the legal aid budget. Lawyers who are strangers to ethics and the truth, hence some have been struck off.

I too find it ominous Chestnut. My son lives in a beautiful village which adjoins one in which there is an asylum seekers’ centre. They are seen wandering aimlessly around my son’s village, where as a result of the nearby centre the property market is absolutely dead. They have been placed in a totally inappropriate rural area with no services. However, I realise that Rayner’s intelligence is limited so this is not something she would understand, let alone care about. I wonder if Labour are preparing ‘Immigrants Welcome’ signs, a la Mutti?

Well I think they've been noticed in many towns already but what can anyone do?

I just find the words 'every part of Britain will take its fair share of migrants' very ominous. It sounds like a huge wave is coming.

Are you saying that our currently most prominent left-leading lawyer is likely to make up a story for a client, GSM ? I hope not. That could get you in trouble for slander (or is it libel/ ) which wouldn't go down well in your professional circles.

Or get a lefty lawyer to make up a story for them and/or advise them to get baptised/pretend to be gay.

Chestnut

LizzieDrip

Oh what a pity you can’t remember where you read that report BevSec and Chestnut. I’ve searched and searched but can’t find anything … and I’d be interested to read it. But if you say you don’t remember, then you don’t remember.

You didn't look very hard. I just had a quick look and found it in the Telegraph and that isn't where I read it first.
www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/24/migrants-labour-government-crossing-channel-rwanda/

Another article says 'Angela Rayner says every part of Britain will take fair share of migrants' which means 'if we spread them out to every town and village people won't notice a few million more'.

Cleverly refers to "Labour’s plans to allow migrants to claim asylum, which would “instantly increase the appeal of making the perilous journey across the Channel”. but there is nothing new in allowing migrants to make a claim APPLYING for asylum - they have a right in international law to APPLY in their country of arrival to be allowed to legally remain there. That is in The Illegal Migration Act 2023 legislation passed by a Tory Government. Their application has to be assessed and they have to prove that they are in danger in the country from which they have left.
righttoremain.org.uk/toolkit/claimasylum/

They would certainly be noticed round here.

"Another article says 'Angela Rayner says every part of Britain will take fair share of migrants' which means 'if we spread them out to every town and village people won't notice a few million more'."

I suspect the opposite - more people will notice!

Was it the one referred to here, Casdon ?
www.reuters.com/fact-check/asylum-seeker-quote-falsely-attributed-britains-starmer-2024-01-19/

Or this ? www.itv.com/news/2024-05-10/starmer-vows-hostile-ground-for-smuggling-gangs-and-to-scrap-rwanda-policy

Or even this? www.gbnews.com/politics/migrant-crisis-starmer-labour-policy

LizzieDrip

Oh what a pity you can’t remember where you read that report BevSec and Chestnut. I’ve searched and searched but can’t find anything … and I’d be interested to read it. But if you say you don’t remember, then you don’t remember.

You didn't look very hard. I just had a quick look and found it in the Telegraph and that isn't where I read it first.
www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/24/migrants-labour-government-crossing-channel-rwanda/

Another article says 'Angela Rayner says every part of Britain will take fair share of migrants' which means 'if we spread them out to every town and village people won't notice a few million more'.

Oh what a pity you can’t remember where you read that report BevSec and Chestnut. I’ve searched and searched but can’t find anything … and I’d be interested to read it. But if you say you don’t remember, then you don’t remember.

It’s not up to Chestnut to find a link, it’s down to BevSec.

I'm sorry, I can't find something I read several days ago somewhere I can't remember! I just wanted to confirm it was not on a Reform website, it was on MSM.

Chestnut

Casdon

Where did you hear that BevSec, on a Reform conspiracy website? Do post us your source so we can check out the veracity?

I read that too and it definitely wasn't on a Reform website, it was on MSM somewhere. Just wait until next week, the numbers will skyrocket. They know Starmer will welcome them with open arms. Like most people, I am for controlled immigration, but when Labour take charge there will be no control.

Do find it and post Chestnut. People need to provide sources.

Casdon

Where did you hear that BevSec, on a Reform conspiracy website? Do post us your source so we can check out the veracity?

I read that too and it definitely wasn't on a Reform website, it was on MSM somewhere. Just wait until next week, the numbers will skyrocket. They know Starmer will welcome them with open arms. Like most people, I am for controlled immigration, but when Labour take charge there will be no control.

Jane 43 I was interested to read the link from a chambers about the Cab Rank Rule , which I am quoting here in case some posters missed it.
A Barrister must take instruction regardless of :
the identity of the client
the nature of the case
whether the client is paying privately or is publicly funded
any belief or opinion you may have formed as to the character, reputation, cause, conduct,guilt or innocence of the client.
I'm surprised this wasn't put forward before by one of our legal eagles.

Where did you hear that BevSec, on a Reform conspiracy website? Do post us your source so we can check out the veracity?

That wouldn’t surprise me.

I have heard reports of boatloads waiting until Starmer gets elected before making the crossing 😱

(was replying to the post on the Reform Candidate upthread)

And Reform has let them still stand? A candidate who has espoused murder just 4 years ago?

To return to the O/P: I think that we should all be responsible for checking the facts on dubious SM sources before posting.

I don't want the UK to turn into a country like the US where a huge chunk of people support the "Alternative Facts" movement by the bandying about of allegations as truth

I will be voting for a party not the head of that party. Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak and others have made mistakes in their past and these will inevitably be picked on in the run up to an election.
I will be voting neither Tory nor Labour but not because of the leaders of those parties but because of the the way I feel about the parties as a whole.

Hold on, the post was about Starmer , not Boris. Why not start a post about him. You can't deflect from what Starmer achieve here, simply by saying non of it wasn't true.
Some of it was.
If I am reading this correctly (it’s not very clear) I’m not simply saying none of it is true. I am saying that the Whatever. Some of it is true attitude sums up what people are so sick of. It started with ‘Boris’ (who was brought into the discussion by Bevsec, not me) and has continued with Sunak and his £2000 tax lie.

That is what I meant, so that is what I said.

LizzieDrip

Chesnut those posters on GN who say they support Reform, and will vote for Reform, are thereby supporting the views of Reform candidates, one of which is quoted above.

Simple as that!

Just because a Gran has said they support Reform it doesn't mean they want to slaughter migrants and they do not necessarily support everything that every Reform candidate has said. Get a grip. That is a dreadful thing to accuse people of. By the way, I do not support Reform but like all parties they have good and bad.

Was I supporting antisemitism when the labour party was dancing with that particular prejudice and I voted for them. I once voted green (obviously I was a bit naive back then) they had a particularly unpleasant child safeguarding incident within the party, do I hold responsibility for that. Crikey I dont agree with half the things Starmer says and I am planning to vote labour. I dont endorse everything Starmer says by voting for him.

BevSec

Thanks for the link Siope. It was interesting and thank you for researching it for me. Just shows what is going around is not really the facts, but I do feel the same applies to Boris Johnson.

Excluding people's opinions of him - which are just that, opinions, and can be agreed with or not...

... in what way do you think Boris Johnson has been misrepresented?