Keir starmer

Posters "Badmouth" politicians they disagree with just as politicians badmouth each other constantly.

However, that different from posting a written defamatory lie, which is libellous.

Chestnut

Whatever, it is partly true and that's bad enough. I am absolutely dreading a Labour government because under Starmer immigration will go through the roof. At least the Tories are making some attempt to control it (albeit weak and feeble) but soon there will be no control.

The Tories gave 800,000 legal immigrants visas this past year. They know the UK is in desperate need of immigrant workers because of our ageing population and the universities need the fee income from foreign students. They play up 'stop the boats' as a diversion from granting visas on a massive scale. Immigration is to be welcomed in our present state.

‘Five times more often than Labour’ - so Labour are at it too.

I find the lies and fake news put out by the Tories dangerous and disturbing, so I’ve done a bit of research:

Tories censured for sharing misleading information on social media five times more often than Labour
The Independent, March 2024

Conservative Party used disinformation ‘with new level of impunity’ during 2019 general election, report finds
The Independent, August 2020

Investigation finds ‘88% of Tory ads misleading compared to 0% for Labour’
The Metro, Dec 2019

There’s plenty more but it’s so depressing that I had to stop. It feels like being scammed by your own government.

I know where I’m putting my X and I know why!

Germanshepherdsmum

Chestnut

Whatever, it is partly true and that's bad enough. I am absolutely dreading a Labour government because under Starmer immigration will go through the roof. At least the Tories are making some attempt to control it (albeit weak and feeble) but soon there will be no control.

I agree Chestnut. It is not wholly untrue. The case resulted in the government being unable to refuse support for immigrants. It also reminds those who need reminding that Starmer was one of the human rights lawyers who act for illegal immigrants, and that it isn’t in his DNA to be tough with them. If we think things are bad now, wait and see how much worse they will be under his watch.

GSM sums it up in a nutshell. Everyone should read that and realise that Starmer is going to make no effort to reduce immigration. So before you put your little tick in the box be very careful what you wish for.

I am a woman.
I’m 6ft tall with long, flowing blond hair.
I have sparkling blue eyes.
I’m 25 years old.
I’ve represented the UK at the Olympics.

OK, the above is not wholly untrue … I am a woman!

Whatever, it is partly true

That sums up ‘Boris’ and his premiership, really, and that of the Tory party at this time. It’s one of the reasons why Bevsec’s ‘friend’ is likely to be disappointed when the election results are announced. People are fed up with the lack of integrity that that attitude shows, and thank goodness for that.

Chestnut

Whatever, it is partly true and that's bad enough. I am absolutely dreading a Labour government because under Starmer immigration will go through the roof. At least the Tories are making some attempt to control it (albeit weak and feeble) but soon there will be no control.

I agree Chestnut. It is not wholly untrue. The case resulted in the government being unable to refuse support for immigrants. It also reminds those who need reminding that Starmer was one of the human rights lawyers who act for illegal immigrants, and that it isn’t in his DNA to be tough with them. If we think things are bad now, wait and see how much worse they will be under his watch.

People seem to believe all sorts of statements that are doing the rounds on social media.

Some people seem to believe if it is in writing online it must be true. Just like the OP has demonstrated!! The statements being passed around on FB as the truth are astounding.

Johnson is history. Gone but not forgotten.
Starmer could be the future and lies need to be called out.

That's the difference.

To my mind, I am not much bothered about Kier Starmer.
To my mind, it is the Party we would be voting for. KS could be gone in 6 months.
Quickly followed by 4 more Labour Leaders for example, before the 5 years is up.

Ditto of course, any other Party.
We vote for a Party as far as I am concerned.

Posting nonsense, when challenged accepting it isn’t the whole truth, then comparing it with ‘what happened to Boris’ - takes some brass neck.
Johnson proved to be a serial liar.

BevSec

I didnt know it was not the whole truth Doodledog. That is what I believe happened to Boris. I have to say the level of aggression on here is high.

Nice try, but just a bit OTT even for some of the threads on here.

Please do let us know what ‘your friend’ sends you on 5th July? .

BevSec

Also posters on here do not hesitate to badmouth Boris.

‘Badmouthing’ a former PM who has evidentially proved that he was unfit to lead the country is not the same thing at all as spreading untruths BevSec. Bury your head in the sand if you wish, but bear in mind that most Gransnetters are not fools who will believe what you say unless you have proof. Don’t underestimate our collective knowledge base, or you will get jumped on, and rightly so.

BevSec

Also posters on here do not hesitate to badmouth Boris.

But they’re having to restore the values that they themselves have destroyed. The decent ones were all thrown out of the party. They have brought it upon themselves!

BevSec

Also posters on here do not hesitate to badmouth Boris.

He was thrown out of parliament for lying! I don’t understand why you are defending him.

Thought everyone knew that. Prepare for the ride after 04 July. By the way I wouldn't vote Reform. I genuinely believe Keir and Corbyn cut from same cloth but they will get in. Sorry for young people but I just hope they battle through as nothing lasts, perhaps the Conservatives will see what a hash they have made of things and work to restore values, will take time but they will have that. If not I can see the problems they have in France coming our way.

Also posters on here do not hesitate to badmouth Boris.

Absolutely agree Chestnut!

It is true that Mr Starmer, before he was an MP and Leader of the Opposition, represented five asylum seekers as a barrister in a case against the government. However the 2003 case Mr Starmer was involved in did not enable all “illegal immigrants” to receive support.

The case challenged legislation introduced by the then-Labour government, which meant the Home Secretary could refuse support to asylum seekers who didn’t claim asylum as soon as they arrived in the country. The claimants Mr Starmer represented won the case as the judge ruled that the government couldn’t refuse support based on how soon after arrival an asylum claim was made. Asylum seekers received support from the government or local authorities for years before 2003.

(Copied from Full Fact)

I could be wrong but it seems to me that the OP is only on gransnet to bad mouth Keir Starmer and promote Reform. And can’t help but feel they joined gransnet purely to do that…

I am not a labour or Conservative supporter, but I find passing on inaccurate information like that disgraceful, you should have checked the facts and the inaccuracies before posting that rubbish.
OP, you say posters on here are aggresive, I admit on some threads they can be, but not on this thread, they are challenging the lies and inaccuracies.

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They did the same ahead of the 2019 election renaming the account factcheckUK in that instance. Full Fact took them to task over it. Same deceitful behaviour whoever is leading the party.

It gets worse. During tonight’s leaders debate Tory HQ changed the name of their X account to Tax Check Uk. The link below explains it better than I can (I’m not on X).

What is happening in this country?

www.itv.com/news/2024-06-26/tories-accused-of-misleading-voters-by-rebranding-x-account-tax-check-uk

nanna8

They all lie it seems. Some more than others.

That’s no excuse to spread lying propaganda on social media.