Is this country morally bankrupt?

Do you feel accused? If it’s not true of you then move along. And don’t assume it’s someone on gransnet specifically Im posting about. I made a statement relevant to the topic at hand.

Feverjo

Do you feel accused? If it’s not true of you then move along. And don’t assume it’s someone on gransnet specifically Im posting about. I made a statement relevant to the topic at hand.

I do not feel accused.

I asked you a question relevant to your post.

Please do not tell me to move along

I have never found GrannyGravy to be racist and I don’t believe that her comment on this thread was racist.
Glorianny you should withdraw that disgraceful accusation.

If you don’t feel accused I see no point in the exchange. I can make a statement and choose not to engage you on it. Free speech and all.

GG13
Don’t be too hard on Feverjo.

The blanket some posters accusation is unacceptable, but at least when she says

We find all kinds of excuses to view some children as less worthy of our love and compassion
she includes herself.

Oh I’m sorry didn’t realize I needed a defender or mouthpiece. I’m sure there are much more welcoming recipients than myself, thanks.

I don’t understand the apples and pears comment in relation to these children. Surely chilldren orphaned by conflicts of whatever nature deserve our compassion, it doesn’t alter whether that happened in Ukraine or Gaza.

Nandalot

I don’t understand the apples and pears comment in relation to these children. Surely chilldren orphaned by conflicts of whatever nature deserve our compassion, it doesn’t alter whether that happened in Ukraine or Gaza.

The apples and pears comment was regarding the situations in Gaza and Ukraine, not the children 🤦‍♀️

I don’t understand the ‘apples and pears’ comment either.

GrannyGravy perhaps you could explain your comment in more detail, for those of us struggling with it?

No, the UK isn't but the Tories are.

Crossed posts!

How can he state anything when Parliament is dissolved at the moment and he will, in all probability, be in Opposition very shortly?

Had he said yes, of course, it would have been a meaningless statement and morally wrong.

Are you a new poster, Feverjo?

Hello 👋

For LizzieDrip , Nandalot and any others who do not understand my apples and pears comment.

The U.K. is on speaking terms with the Ukrainian government and its President, they are a friendly European Country being attacked by an enemy of the West.

The U.K. is not on speaking terms with the government of Gaza, namely Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organisation which hides amongst the innocent civilians of Palestine. We do not have a dialogue with them.

It is for those who are desperately trying to negotiate with the heinous terrorist organisation to try and get the children out of Gaza, it will be down to them to decide where these innocents can be relocated.

Whatever James Cleverly said or not said would be held against him, and Conan it be acted on seven days before a GE.

I do understand what you meant, GrannyGravy and it's too easy for some to start accusing others without due consideration.

Currently there is no clarity about who will maintain control of Gaza until we hear what plans Israel have for the "End Game" as Hamas no longer control most of Palestine.
People are fed by international organisations and much of the infrastructure is in ruins including water and waste management.
Its all up to decisions yet to be made as to "who is in charge".

I hope some posters can understand your very clear explanation GG. Frankly it should be obvious why we can’t act, but evidently not to everyone.

Cossy

These are CHILDREN! Where has your compassion gone?

It shouldn’t matter about the politics or nationality, if they have family legally settled here, of course they should be allowed to come.

How would you feel if these children were your grandchildren or nieces/nephews?

Surely this also should be obvious, but evidently not to everyone.

I have compassion for every living person and creature on the planet. I don't think we are morally bankrupt, however springing a question like that which makes James Cleverly out to be a complete b*****rd, should he not answer in the manner of the stitch up, I think is wrong. The consquences of any discussion on the Gaza topic are serious for all concerned and not to be taken lightly, or whereby the MSM could twist the answer out of context, which they do on a regular basis, with DM online being one of the worst. And I sincerely dislike Tories at the moment.

The news item has begun with a British anaesthetist who was related to a child whose entire family - parents, grandparents and his siblings were killed in his home whilst the child was playing outside. He received head injuries, but survived.

The British anaesthetist is the child’s uncle so arranged with what seemed massive difficulty to get the child out of Gaza and into Egypt for medical care. After which he was brought home to Britain to live with his extended family, and I assume adopted.

Why wouldn’t anyone do that?

Cleverly was being his usual dim self, and tbh I wouldn’t take too much notice of what he said, as he along with his morally bankrupt government will hopefully soon be out on his ear.

No I don’t think the country as a whole is morally bankrupt, although we are all aware of individuals that are devoid of the empathy gene, but I think that the vast majority have more compassion than some argue is not there.

Have you not understood the explanations of why Cleverly could not make an off the cuff statement, or are you blinded by your desire to insult him and his colleagues?

Why wouldn’t anyone do that?

Because of the massive difficulties facing people wanting to leave Gaza?

The Russians were not blocking all Ukraine's borders.

Even Egypt closed its border with Gaza and had refused entry to refugees.

Callistemon213

^Why wouldn’t anyone do that?^

Because of the massive difficulties facing people wanting to leave Gaza?

The Russians were not blocking all Ukraine's borders.

Even Egypt closed its border with Gaza and had refused entry to refugees.

Yes - I’m not sure of your point. No one is disputing what you are saying.

The question asks whether the U.K. is a morally bankrupt country.

I think not.

But I know that the present government is and can give example after example to support my opinion.

Callistemon213

^Why wouldn’t anyone do that?^

Because of the massive difficulties facing people wanting to leave Gaza?

The Russians were not blocking all Ukraine's borders.

Even Egypt closed its border with Gaza and had refused entry to refugees.

Yes, but everybody doesn’t accept that.
If it’s really that easy, it will happen on July 5th without any need for solutions to issues raised on here.

There are 11000 orphaned children in Gaza. So if they were all lucky enough to have a family living elsewhere in the world their little lives would have some hope and happiness for the future.

Spread around the world this is such a tiny number. Even if incredibly all their relatives lived in the U.K. - those children would only represent about a weeks worth of asylum seekers coming to the U.K. on boats, with which this government appears entirely incapable of dealing. As it is their numbers would not represent one days worth of asylum seekers.

And as they are coming to live with an established family they will not need intervention by government agencies etc.