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Iam64 Thu 27-Jun-24 13:30:18

That’s the question audience member Robert Blackstock asked Sunak and Starmer at last night’s leadership debate. Is this a helpful question?

Iam64 Sat 29-Jun-24 20:44:44

Paddy O’Connell on bbc news currently, he shares the majority view here, the question was not polite. He’s asking for more manners -excellentb

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 21:14:41

Agree about the Social Care question.

TakeThat7 Sat 29-Jun-24 21:40:14

Yes waste of a question Id like to know if labour are making it more difficult to buy council houses as mentioned a few weeks back

TakeThat7 Sat 29-Jun-24 21:42:24

Angela Raynor bought hers but it was on the news they are considering reducing the discount allowed

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 22:06:10

In 2012 the Conservatives

"In April 2012, the government changed the maximum cash discount available for Right to Buy sales to a new higher level of £75,000 across England."

In Labour current policy

Reviewing the increased right-to-buy discounts introduced in 2012 and increasing protections on newly-built social housing"

mumofmadboys Sat 29-Jun-24 22:19:43

I disliked the debate because Sunak and Starmer talked over each other all the time especially Sunak.

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 22:22:08

I would prefer the "5 mins each" situation with mute buttons.

TakeThat7 Sun 30-Jun-24 09:51:58

Sorry are labour actually putting social housing out of reach of more tennants by reducing the disbount or what Ive never been able to own a house and rents were way too expensive when labour were in power and prospect of working class minimum wage people like me getting to own a house just as unlikely as now What do labour plan

MayBee70 Sun 30-Jun-24 10:02:00

TakeThat7

Sorry are labour actually putting social housing out of reach of more tennants by reducing the disbount or what Ive never been able to own a house and rents were way too expensive when labour were in power and prospect of working class minimum wage people like me getting to own a house just as unlikely as now What do labour plan

So how has your life improved over the last 14 years of Tory government?

Freya5 Sun 30-Jun-24 10:03:31

TakeThat7

Yes waste of a question Id like to know if labour are making it more difficult to buy council houses as mentioned a few weeks back

This is one thing that should be stopped, Scotland can do it, so can we. We need our social housing.

Oreo Sun 30-Jun-24 10:05:21

Being able to buy your council house came in under a Conservative government didn’t it? Mrs T as PM.
It may have been thought a good thing at the time and am sure those who had London council houses were well happy, the money they made by selling them as soon as they could.
Wha a gigantic mistake it all was, social housing has always been needed and now more than for a long time.Councils allowed the new owners to sell and failed to keep on building enough new ones.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 30-Jun-24 10:09:14

We have a labour council and there a large number of affordable for rent flats being built in the centre. That should make a huge dent in the homeless queue, as well as those seeking to leave their familial home

Oreo Sun 30-Jun-24 10:14:00

Depends what you call ‘affordable’ private renting can never take the place of social housing, unless you’re saying these are actual council flats? It may make a small difference in your local area but council homes are needed in vast quantities countrywide.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 30-Jun-24 10:15:42

Is your council financing the building of the flats or a housing association wwm?

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 10:20:41

We need more social housing very badly indeed.

TakeThat7 you can look up Labour Housing policy in detail by googling their manifesto.

David49 Sun 30-Jun-24 11:00:45

Oreo

Depends what you call ‘affordable’ private renting can never take the place of social housing, unless you’re saying these are actual council flats? It may make a small difference in your local area but council homes are needed in vast quantities countrywide.

Our local housing association is commissioning a lot of new affordable homes for low wage workers who cannot afford to buy, my son in law and his wife both working, got one after only 3 months on the list, I think it’s about 2/3 market rent.

A mutual housing association gets big tax concessions so compared to private renters has big advantages. CGT never happens and any rent received funds other new properties.

Sallywally1 Sun 30-Jun-24 11:10:10

I cannot think of any inspirational leaders for the last 25 years or so. I had hopes for Tony Blair, but they all seem to let us down eventually.

I just want to get rid of the tories and wouldn’t particularly care if a chimpanzee was labour leader atm! (Joke, lighthearted). We need to think of the most vulnerable in society and try to create a just country and to my mind the tories have increased social unfairness in all areas.

Anniebach Sun 30-Jun-24 11:28:16

Inspirational leader further back that 25 years ?

TakeThat7 Sun 30-Jun-24 12:07:50

Hey Just seen sky news are they biased like bbc A whole lot of time given to people turning down social housing in london sometimes twicePresenter concluded this with difficult times When i was lucky enough thirty years ago to be offered a very dirty council home with a toddler it was accept first offer or get none I was so happy not to be homeless anymore I put thick layers pf paint where i couldnt improve by cleaning it Things wete not better when labour were in

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 13:03:18

Can you give a reference TakeThat7 as have found one article on social housing in London and its not about that.

to adress a question GSM posted up thread about who provides social housing -

Locally the council has only been able to promise 1000 new council homes by 2029, no more money there as current funds taken up with maintenance:

the city relies on Housing Association for any more with is funded by a mix of direct government and private funding.

Lots more needed.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 30-Jun-24 13:15:29

I was asking about the new flats to which wwm referred - she implied it was funded by the council by saying her council was labour controlled, but I would think it far more likely that a housing association is providing them.

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 14:44:44

Ah - OK - I was answering the question in terms of funding Housing Associations

The local Housing Associations in my Lab/Libdem city do work closely with the Council in terms of their development (there is a partnership scheme, sometimes the council provides the land)

And of course particularly in terms of need and allocating places in rental accommodation, the Council and Housing Association allocation does not work separately.

Since locally its a "one stop" application process.

(some housing associations offer to-buy properties)

TakeThat7 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:55:01

Sorry dont know how to reference something as mentioned above It was on sky a few minutes before i put it on here Someone said how has your life improved minimum wage went up people were paid on furlough during pandemic I might have eventually been able to buy my home whilst a good discount Im happy with my pension Ive had very good nhs treatment Although our Doctors rarely see patients now and its impossible to get an appointment even when you phone at 8am Is the doctots appointments covered ny any manifesto as it was better years ago

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 30-Jun-24 18:44:01

Presumably you also had help with fuel bills and the cost of living.

flappergirl Sun 30-Jun-24 19:41:19

I realise this discussion has moved on from the original post but I thought the man's comment was rude and pathetic. He was merely seeking his 15 minutes of fame and trying to look like a clever boy. Is he offering to step up and run the country?