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What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 28-Jun-24 10:25:05

I’ve pinched this question from James O’Brian. And to me it is obvious, - they are fascists - talking about replacing the police with paramilitaries and bringing back the death penalty as well as shoot f….g immigrants has huge echoes of 1930s Germany.

So why would you vote for him?

Cossy Sun 30-Jun-24 17:54:03

garnet25

My Mother came from Czechoslovakia, she and her Jewish Mother just managed to escape from the Nazis. I remember her telling me what life was like under the Nazi regime, neighbours turning against neighbours , every man for himself etc. It seems to me that this is what some of the folk in Reform are aiming for.

I’m afraid I agree! Not on the same scale but my husband was moved here at 4 with his family, from Southern Ireland, early sixties, notices in the B&B’s and some other establishments?

“No Dogs”
“No Blacks”
“No Irish”

He chose never to be a British citizen despite working his entire life here, paying his taxes here and raising his children here.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:50:27

Cossy

I’m afraid that they’re a plenty here still.

We do need a workable policy though for immigration which includes allowing a safe legal route asylum seekers, a quick efficient turn around in processing claims, stronger and more effective border control (it’s not just humans who are trafficked), a “points” system for economic migrants, not based on salary but on professional! Better, more open sponsorship within these professions.

A sensible building and infrastructure approach to replacing social housing stock, along with affordable homes to purchase, with all the roads and schools, services, shops and GPs.

Yes

Oreo Sun 30-Jun-24 17:50:26

Cossy

I’m afraid that they’re a plenty here still.

We do need a workable policy though for immigration which includes allowing a safe legal route asylum seekers, a quick efficient turn around in processing claims, stronger and more effective border control (it’s not just humans who are trafficked), a “points” system for economic migrants, not based on salary but on professional! Better, more open sponsorship within these professions.

A sensible building and infrastructure approach to replacing social housing stock, along with affordable homes to purchase, with all the roads and schools, services, shops and GPs.

I agree with most of that list, the main one being much faster processing claims, am hoping that this next year will see that happen.If other countries can do it then so can we.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:49:52

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

oreo what is it about Labour that attracts your vote?

Why so aggressive?
I’ve already answered this question from you when I sure didn’t have to.

Can you direct me to your answer please I don’t remember seeing it.

What was aggressive about my question?

Callistemon213 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:48:08

My vote goes to Cossy

Oreo Sun 30-Jun-24 17:47:49

Whitewavemark2

oreo what is it about Labour that attracts your vote?

Why so aggressive?
I’ve already answered this question from you when I sure didn’t have to.

garnet25 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:45:39

My Mother came from Czechoslovakia, she and her Jewish Mother just managed to escape from the Nazis. I remember her telling me what life was like under the Nazi regime, neighbours turning against neighbours , every man for himself etc. It seems to me that this is what some of the folk in Reform are aiming for.

Cossy Sun 30-Jun-24 17:45:30

I’m afraid that they’re a plenty here still.

We do need a workable policy though for immigration which includes allowing a safe legal route asylum seekers, a quick efficient turn around in processing claims, stronger and more effective border control (it’s not just humans who are trafficked), a “points” system for economic migrants, not based on salary but on professional! Better, more open sponsorship within these professions.

A sensible building and infrastructure approach to replacing social housing stock, along with affordable homes to purchase, with all the roads and schools, services, shops and GPs.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:44:53

oreo what is it about Labour that attracts your vote?

Oreo Sun 30-Jun-24 17:43:07

Yes I expect they were economic migrants that our government allowed to come here or encouraged them to come here, either with visas or offering some other deal.Your question was why should they not want uncontrolled immigration which I’ve answered already.

Callistemon213 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:42:31

Chocolatelovinggran

Nicenanny, Britain has always been Great. The name is, I understand, to differentiate it from Brittany.
No political party can, or ever has, made us less/ more "Great" .There is no need for GB to be made " Great again".

Yes, it's a geographical term.

I had an older friend who used to thump the table and declare "Make Britain Great again"! during the referendum campaign.

zakouma66 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:39:20

Primrose53

MayBee70

Yet again I don’t understand why so many second generation immigrants are so opposed to immigration. .And seem to get involved politically to achieve it.

Mainly because times were very different then. There were plenty of jobs, council housing lists were much, much shorter, schools were not over subscribed etc.

Second generation immigrants have seen and heard their families talking about how hard they worked to make a living in a new country, often coming with one suitcase and about £20. They have the sense to see that times are now very different and there is just not enough of everything to go round.

There is more than enough to go around. People who own multiple homes could open them up to newcomers. Interesting an innovative schemes could be launched. People could be quickly and efficiently assesed and moved on.

Or you could hang on to your wealth and save your hatred for brown people.

Go figure.

MayBee70 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:38:22

Oreo

MayBee70

Yet again I don’t understand why so many second generation immigrants are so opposed to immigration. .And seem to get involved politically to achieve it.

That will be cos they didn’t come here on a dinghy.There are plenty of immigrants happily settled here who came through legal immigration, second and third generation who are British citizens along with all the rights that entails.They see the same problems as anyone else does and worry about the same things.

But if they didn’t come here on a dinghy they must have either been economic migrants or were immigrants that had a safe route. Which many of the current ones don’t have.

Cossy Sun 30-Jun-24 17:35:02

Nicenanny3

5,000 supporters at Birmingham rally for Reform Party

5 000 people, who (potentially) all hate anyone with a different accent or coloured skin, 5,000 people who genuinely believe Farage gives a monkeys toss, 5,000 taken in by a complete fiscal nightmare!

I live in the constituency next to where Regorm Candidate Lillie (who didn’t bother turning up to the recent hustings nor has been seen in person canvassing). He was “expelled” from Reform a couple of days ago, along with two others in other parts of the country, for his awful racist comments. He, and his ilk, have brought out the very worst in some of the electorate. The comments about immigrants on our local neighbourhood site are utterly appalling and shocking and their “excuse”? “We are only saying what everyone else is thing”

No, they most certainly are not!

Those GNs on here who are still steadfastly supporting Farage, please just tell me why? Not direct me to a video or a link, just a couple of well constructed sentences as to why you support Reform UK? (Aka the Brexit party aka UKIP)

What attracts you to people like Ann Widecombe?

Primrose53 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:34:28

MayBee70

Yet again I don’t understand why so many second generation immigrants are so opposed to immigration. .And seem to get involved politically to achieve it.

Mainly because times were very different then. There were plenty of jobs, council housing lists were much, much shorter, schools were not over subscribed etc.

Second generation immigrants have seen and heard their families talking about how hard they worked to make a living in a new country, often coming with one suitcase and about £20. They have the sense to see that times are now very different and there is just not enough of everything to go round.

Chocolatelovinggran Sun 30-Jun-24 17:34:01

Nicenanny, Britain has always been Great. The name is, I understand, to differentiate it from Brittany.
No political party can, or ever has, made us less/ more "Great" .There is no need for GB to be made " Great again".

Koalama Sun 30-Jun-24 17:32:11

Nicenanny3

5,000 supporters at Birmingham rally for Reform Party..
Watched every bit of it, Farage has mine and my husbands vote now 👏👏

zakouma66 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:31:55

Oreo

Zakouma66
You’re spoiling for a fight so I will not be engaging with you now.Have a nice evening.

Engage with the community at large. Go for it! Why not? How do you feel about the so called " small boats"?

Oreo Sun 30-Jun-24 17:31:21

Whitewavemark2

oreo what is it about Labour that attracts your vote?

Are you serious?
How much time have you got? I’ve always voted Labour apart from when Corbyn was the leader and I just didn’t vote.I needn’t have worried tho as so many Labour voters felt the same back then about him.
Labour are def the political Party for me, now more than ever after the mess the Tories have made about so many issues.
I like the manifesto but wonder if, like many manifestos a lot are aspirations, I don’t have the all out faith that you do in Keir Starmer.Unless Labour make a similar mess of things they will always have my vote as the best representatives of workers.
You do know don’t you, that all Labour voters aren’t exactly the same? I ask cos it’s not very obvious from your comments.

Oreo Sun 30-Jun-24 17:20:02

Zakouma66
You’re spoiling for a fight so I will not be engaging with you now.Have a nice evening.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:19:01

oreo what is it about Labour that attracts your vote?

Oreo Sun 30-Jun-24 17:17:41

MayBee70

Yet again I don’t understand why so many second generation immigrants are so opposed to immigration. .And seem to get involved politically to achieve it.

That will be cos they didn’t come here on a dinghy.There are plenty of immigrants happily settled here who came through legal immigration, second and third generation who are British citizens along with all the rights that entails.They see the same problems as anyone else does and worry about the same things.

zakouma66 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:14:53

Oreo

No I don’t support the Reform Party.
Now, why don’t you sit down with a brew and chill out and stop making personal attacks on other posters.
I think the forthcoming elections have had a bad effect!

Now, why don't you share with us all your thoughts on people seeking asylum.

Tea optional.

MayBee70 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:11:07

Yet again I don’t understand why so many second generation immigrants are so opposed to immigration. .And seem to get involved politically to achieve it.

Oreo Sun 30-Jun-24 17:07:51

No I don’t support the Reform Party.
Now, why don’t you sit down with a brew and chill out and stop making personal attacks on other posters.
I think the forthcoming elections have had a bad effect!