What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

Are the Taliban going to give a reference for an Afghanistani or Iran for an Iranian? How would we know they were safe? It’s not so long since an Afghanistani threw acid in a young woman’s face

So you're not coming up with an example of a dull family who live next door or a doctor or a cleaner or a candlestickmaker?

No, the acid throwing person?

Really?

Do you think people here are " safe"?

Callistemon213

growstuff

maddyone People have to have DBS checks for certain jobs, but an employer can decide to employ people without one.

They should not do that.

I'm sure you're aware that there are different levels of DBS checks anyway. It's up the employer whether somebody with a record should be employed. For the lowest level of DBS, some crimes are "spent" after a number of years. Sorry, I'm a bit busy at the moment or I'd look up the actual details and "small print".

Iam64

Chocolatelovinggran

WWM - the Chelmsford Reform candidate description of people with ASD as ""vegetables "??
Just when you think that Reform have scraped the bottom of the barrel....

I’m genuinely horrified at the ‘type’ like this individual, who are selected and drawn to Reform,

Andy Bell for Channel 5 called Farage out on it yesterday asking more or less the same question that WWM2 posted at the top. He just shrugs it off, says they have 600 candidates standing (do they?), snap election, no time to vet, blamed the vetting company. But that still doesn't answer the question why Farage is a magnet for these people - except we all know what the answer is.

Latest on Farage is his association with convicted fraudster George Cottrell who has been accompanying him on the campaign trail.

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/03/george-cottrell-nigel-farage-reform-uk-montenegro

I have a feeling this may be where poster boy and major donor Zia Yusuf of the weekend speech in Birmingham fits into the picture. I wondered how Yusuf and Farage connected. The latter claims they have know one another for several years. Is it through Yusuf's business which provided concierge services for the richest people in the world? Cottrell sounds the type who would use that kind of thing.

If only one unchecked immigrant throws acid over a woman it’s one too many.

maddyone

Perhaps additionally you could quote where I said I was lumping people from Iran and Afghanistan and a person who threw acid at a woman together.
The truth is you will not be able to find a quote such as that.
And you know it.
If you accuse me of racism again, veiled or otherwise, I will report you. You have quite a lot of posts deleted, I’ve noticed.

Yeah, I had noticed that too, constant posts alleging racism, it’s both boring and untrue.

maddyone

Perhaps additionally you could quote where I said I was lumping people from Iran and Afghanistan and a person who threw acid at a woman together.
The truth is you will not be able to find a quote such as that.
And you know it.
If you accuse me of racism again, veiled or otherwise, I will report you. You have quite a lot of posts deleted, I’ve noticed.

maddie, I know you are not racist, but using the example of people throwing acid or attacking people as good reason for not allowing immigrants to work because they can't be checked does seem as though you are lumping them together.

Many jobs don't insist on DBS or other checks, and nobody bats an eyelid. It's only when roles involve working with the vulnerable (or people in vulnerable positions) that checks are necessary, and in those cases I'm sure most would agree that immigrants shouldn't be able to do them until they are established enough to get references in this country.

The current situation is that they are not allowed to work. This means that they are classed as 'on benefits' although these are more like pocket money than benefits to which UK citizens are entitled, whether or not they have paid into the system.

Refugees are also blamed for living rent-free, but this is because they are not allowed to earn money to pay rent. When I suggested that they should be allowed to do so upthread I was castigated for not insisting that they should work free. They (and anyone who supports them) can't win.

Merion well done you for reporting him to the fire service local commissioner. As shocked as others have been.

Of course, DBS checks are only useful if someone has already committed a crime; not all those who might have wrong intentions to towards children and vulnerable people have a criminal record.

growstuff

maddyone People have to have DBS checks for certain jobs, but an employer can decide to employ people without one.

They should not do that.

Perhaps additionally you could quote where I said I was lumping people from Iran and Afghanistan and a person who threw acid at a woman together.
The truth is you will not be able to find a quote such as that.
And you know it.
If you accuse me of racism again, veiled or otherwise, I will report you. You have quite a lot of posts deleted, I’ve noticed.

zakouma66

My post was not at all " horrible"

What is horrible is lumping people from Iran and Afghanistan and a person who threw acid at a woman together.
The only possible connection is race.

It would still be horrible if a white person did it!
You see racism in everything at all, because you want to.
You need to stop making veiled accusations of racism towards other people. It’s not only untrue, it’s unpleasant!

Chocolatelovinggran

WWM - the Chelmsford Reform candidate description of people with ASD as ""vegetables "??
Just when you think that Reform have scraped the bottom of the barrel....

I’m genuinely horrified at the ‘type’ like this individual, who are selected and drawn to Reform,

Chocolatelovinggran

WWM - the Chelmsford Reform candidate description of people with ASD as ""vegetables "??
Just when you think that Reform have scraped the bottom of the barrel....

Byline Times had already exposed him for his far-right views but this is grossly offensive on a personal level. This is from The Times:

archive.ph/KuT3z

What he wrote to a father of autistic children could constitute a criminal offence under the Malicious Communications Act.

He works for Essex Fire & Rescue Service.

If Farage won't sack him then maybe his employers, who have a very clear policy on ED&I, will consider whether they should be employing him. I have written to them.

Someone needs to start taking action over these people who are gathering under Farage's banner.

Agreed, zakouma.

Of course there are some jobs that can only be done by people who have been checked out, but there are many that don't involve vulnerable people - probably most jobs in fact. These could be done by refugees, many of whom will bring skills with them that would benefit society.

My post was not at all " horrible"

What is horrible is lumping people from Iran and Afghanistan and a person who threw acid at a woman together.
The only possible connection is race.

WWM - the Chelmsford Reform candidate description of people with ASD as ""vegetables "??
Just when you think that Reform have scraped the bottom of the barrel....

Just to calm us all down, Gordon Brown has written an excellent piece in today’s Journal section of the Guardian. I’ll see if I can find a link, but if not, it’s free on line anyway.

Iam we donated my mum’s Singer sewing machine (not electric) and lots of dad’s tools to a charity that renovated them and then they were sent to Africa, for people who need them. We did this after dad died and mum moved to be near us. We had to clear a lot of things from the house and garden as she was moving to a small flat. The sewing machines are particularly useful for ladies who live out in the sticks away from any source of electricity.
I felt they had gone to a good cause.

Well if refugees could work, then they should be able to, rather than sitting around in hotels all the time. They must be bored rigid. I see them sometimes if we go to walk on the seafront and they’re sitting in the lounge in the hotel watching the world go by. Or sometimes on the seafront, having a walk, like us.
I just feel that certain areas of work or volunteering are not possible for them to work in because of the requirement to have a DBS.
I think Iam’s refugee centre sounds nice, but it’s not work as far as I understand it. It would be good for them to learn skills that may help in finding a job in the future.

Thank you Wyllow

Similar here, Iam, can't give refs without disclosing my location. You need refugee status.

But there is a backlog of unprocessed people who can't claim any status at all, this needs dealing with.

As I said above, the Illegal Immigration Act July 2023 states that these people will be indefinitely detained and eventually removed from the UK to a third country such as Rwanda - but this goes against our membership of the ECHR which has clear guidelines on peoples right to seek refugee status.

maddyone People have to have DBS checks for certain jobs, but an employer can decide to employ people without one.

Why do most thread always end up being so confrontational and personal?

maddyone

I think that’s nice Iam, but it sounds more like a refugee centre that provides interesting groups, hobby groups, that will give people a chance to mix with others and possibly learn something ie how to sew/woodwork etc.
However volunteering in the sense that a person is working in the community is impossible because of the requirement for DBS checks.

if you are volunteering you only need a DBS check if you do one to one work with a vulnerable person . I volunteer for all sort of things but only require a DBS for some of them. if you are volunteering within a group you do not need a DBS

But is it maddyone, some of these asylum seekers have been living in our town 4 years waiting to be processed, their children go to local schools, the Christians local churches, the Muslims local mosques. Theyre very well known by other volunteers.

I went recently to donate my sewing machine. The manager is of African heritage and finally got settled status 4 years ago when he applied for the post. The admin support is a white British woman in her mid 70’s who was a teacher in the area. We recognised each other from voluntary work we’d been involved in 45years ago. I’m sure she’d be well able to give asylum seekers she’s known for long periods, a reference to volunteer - just wish they were allowed to work