What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

maddyone

Wyllow can you quote where I said it is common please?

I got that impression from examples you give: its true, I apologise, you did not say it was common.

I think that’s nice Iam, but it sounds more like a refugee centre that provides interesting groups, hobby groups, that will give people a chance to mix with others and possibly learn something ie how to sew/woodwork etc.
However volunteering in the sense that a person is working in the community is impossible because of the requirement for DBS checks.

Our refugee centre has volunteers from the asylum seeking community as well as from local people. They run sewing groups, men in sheds, toddler and groups for older children. They have people waiting 4 years to be processed.

There will be some people whose history causes concer but there’s a lot of fear mongering

Wyllow can you quote where I said it is common please?

No none would condone that attack, but to suggest its common because they were migrants is to tar too many with the same brush.

We need to look at it in terms of what happens everywhere:

'A woman is killed by a man every three days in the UK . Domestic abuse makes up 18 per cent of all recorded crime in England and Wales . In the year ending March 2022, there were 194,683 sexual offences, of which 70,330 were rape .

(police stats)

also google "women attacked groups of men UK".
(no migrants on front page)

But yes, we have to get on and process people - there's a backlog, and we cant deport people until its done.

xakouma
What a horrible post. If you read it again you will see that I did not say all asylum seekers would commit crimes, I actually said that in order to do voluntary work, everyone has to have a DBS check in order to ascertain that they have no convictions. I was a teacher. I couldn’t have worked in schools without a current DBS. You have deliberately misconstrued what I said.

Whilst most won’t do this, how do we know who might or might not

The above is what I actually said!
I gave one example. Here’s another, seven Syrian asylum seekers attacked a young woman in a public park and assaulted her last week. This happened in Germany.
I repeat, without adequate checks no one can possibly know whether an asylum seeker will engage in criminal activities or not. That’s why, in the UK, we have a DBS system so that volunteers and workers with vulnerable people are thoroughly checked. You appear to think that asylum seekers should not have to undergo these checks, because as we all know, it would be impossible to do a thorough check on many of them.

There's a difference between official Volunteer Work and volunteering.

"What are asylum seekers allowed to do?

Asylum seekers can volunteer whilst their claim is considered without being granted permission to work. It is Home Office policy to support asylum seekers volunteering for charities or public sector organisations."

Gov.UK website.

There is a distinction made between "Voluntary Work" and "volunteering". Clearly not when DBS check required.

iirc, schemes discussed as viable on GN include clearing waste dumps and highly littered areas

maddyone

Wyllow asylum seekers cannot do voluntary work because they need to be cleared as safe to be around other people. They would need a DBS check which would be impossible to achieve because many do not have documentation, or they come from countries that would not cooperate with the UK anyway. Are the Taliban going to give a reference for an Afghanistani or Iran for an Iranian? How would we know they were safe? It’s not so long since an Afghanistani threw acid in a young woman’s face. Whilst most won’t do this, how do we know who might or might not? That’s why they’re not allowed to do voluntary work.

One person does a terrible thing. Why would you assume all the others from this country ( or countries since you lump Afghanistan and Iran together) would behave in this way?

A white British male once cheated me out of money. Do I assume all white British males are liars and cheats?

There are not many Reform voters on here, or even in the country Whitewave. People who have decided to vote Reform will do so whatever (not me, but I think I’ve finally made up my mind.)

Asylum seekers were coming in lorries long before Brexit.
How many did we ever return to France?

I’ll just pop this little nugget in.

Chelmsford Reform candidate.

Describes an autistic person with learning difficulties as a vegetable.

He is still standing.

Wyllow asylum seekers cannot do voluntary work because they need to be cleared as safe to be around other people. They would need a DBS check which would be impossible to achieve because many do not have documentation, or they come from countries that would not cooperate with the UK anyway. Are the Taliban going to give a reference for an Afghanistani or Iran for an Iranian? How would we know they were safe? It’s not so long since an Afghanistani threw acid in a young woman’s face. Whilst most won’t do this, how do we know who might or might not? That’s why they’re not allowed to do voluntary work.

tricia58

We have thousands coming in aided by people smugglers, why aren't they coming legally like the ones you mention. I have no objection to passports and working in other countries

Prior to Brexit we could return people to France but because we’re no longer part of the Dublin agreement we can’t. Yet another Brexit benefit

(I remain convinced that the early election had a great deal to do with the huge build up of unprocessed immigrants, and it being clear that Rwanda was not going to be "the solution".

They had been saying the first deportations to Rwanda would be July)

Since the July 2023 Illegal Immigration Act there is much confusion about these issues.

Conservative plan was to detain all those entering by non safe routes indefinitely until they could be removed to Rwanda. (which could not by now have taken the numbers involved, as it is 52.000 max at any given time.)

It also included no provision for safe routes.

So they stopped processing people allowing a huge build up as they had no plans for deportation back to safe countries

All eggs in basket Rwanda. Far from being a "deterrent".

No attempts to, for example, encourage those waiting to do voluntary work - we've talked about this many times in GN

This article lays it out very clearly indeed

www.rescue.org/uk/article/what-illegal-migration-bill-and-what-does-it-mean-refugees#:~:text=The%20Illegal%20Migration%20Bill%20was,it%20the%20Illegal%20Migration%20Act.

It also gives the important facts about % of immigrants in this category:

"In the year ending June 2023, there were 44,460 people detected arriving by small boats according to government figures.

This means small boat arrivals amount to 3.7% of overall immigration to the UK which was 1.2 million during the same period

tricia58

How rude 'you people', I could use the same but wouldn't be so rude. There are many opinions, your opinion is not necessarily the right one.

I haven't given an opinion. I've asked questions and given facts.

tricia58

How rude 'you people', I could use the same but wouldn't be so rude. There are many opinions, your opinion is not necessarily the right one.

My 'opinion' is based on fact. See *growstuff's posts.

There is nothing 'illegal' about being an asylum seeker or a refugee. The question of 'legality' can only be established once their claims have been processed.

One of our 'British values' is the principle of 'innocent until proved guilty'.

It's not wanting more of the spread of divisive toxic ideologies and fake/false news and magical solutions the USA route in the longer term.

How rude 'you people', I could use the same but wouldn't be so rude. There are many opinions, your opinion is not necessarily the right one.

tricia58

We have thousands coming in aided by people smugglers, why aren't they coming legally like the ones you mention. I have no objection to passports and working in other countries

There is nothing illegal in international law about claiming asylum.

eazybee

^One prime reason that these people are coming in on the boats is because there are no safe routes available to them. This has been pointed out time and time again.^

They are coming in the boats because they are attempting to force an illegal entry.

How many more times?

How could they arrive legally?

tricia58

We have thousands coming in aided by people smugglers, why aren't they coming legally like the ones you mention. I have no objection to passports and working in other countries

Because they are often fleeing war-torn countries and/or persecution. Countries such as Eritrea won't even issue passports.

We have hundreds of thousands coming to the country legally. Why are you so obsessed with the minority, about whose circumstances you appear to have little (or no) direct experience?

One prime reason that these people are coming in on the boats is because there are no safe routes available to them. This has been pointed out time and time again.

They are coming in the boats because they are attempting to force an illegal entry.

How many more times?

I agree Oreo. A lot of fuss about the irrelevant.

Why is anyone worrying about Reform? They won’t get more than a handful of seats at best.