What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

Callistemon213

^I'm deliberately leaving out the 'Putin' issue because I simply want to understand Farage's appeal to women^

I thought he might be quite resourceful if we were lost in the tropical rainforest in Queensland. But then, I might be better than him, I know where to find water and Vitamin C 😁
Apart from that 🤔

Well I don’t, so I need to be lost with you.

growstuff

I don't see death threats, racism or misogyny either because I don't choose to follow the people who spout this kind of bile.

Because I don’t use it, I don’t really understand the format, but I hear about these things on the news from time to time. That’s why I don’t do it. I don’t suppose I’d follow those sort of people either. I’ll stick with GN, where although we may disagree with one another, and at other times agree with one another, I’m not expecting to see any poster post a death threat. Thankfully.

I also do Facebook, but I keep it very tight, so don’t see much political on there, just news about people’s birthday and holidays, and a lot of adverts. I also follow the local page to keep up with what’s happening locally. That was very useful when we wanted to find an electrician.
I’m really quite ordinary.

I'm deliberately leaving out the 'Putin' issue because I simply want to understand Farage's appeal to women

I thought he might be quite resourceful if we were lost in the tropical rainforest in Queensland. But then, I might be better than him, I know where to find water and Vitamin C 😁
Apart from that 🤔

I don't see death threats, racism or misogyny either because I don't choose to follow the people who spout this kind of bile.

growstuff

I don't understand it either.

... and I would like to.

Are those here on GN who intend to vote for Reform concerned about Farage's sympathetic stance towards a man who, by his own statements, clearly holds women in contempt (not to mention the charges currently laid against him)?

Or do they disagree with his support for Tate but think it doesn't matter because it's just words - an opinion - that would have no bearing ultimately on the way Farage governed if his party / company held power?

Maybe they even agree with Farage and Tate though? There are women willing to take a subservient role in a marriage / partnership, however I can't imagine some of the feisty Farage supporters on here in that role. It puzzles me in the same way that female Trump supporters wear T shirts emblazoned with the legend, "you can grab my pussy anytime Mr President" (or similar wording). Maybe it's just a joke - a reaction to those who criticise his "locker room" talk; a way of claiming it's an innocent bit of banter?

But those same women are quite vocal when it comes down to Starmer "not knowing what a woman is" because of his response to that question. So for them, what a prospective leader says, does matter.

So yes, I think I would like to understand the thinking.

I'm deliberately leaving out the 'Putin' issue because I simply want to understand Farage's appeal to women.

I only know what people say is on X.
Death threats to female MPs.
Racism, particularly to Jewish MPs.
Death threats to J K Rowling.
Misogyny from some famous people.
No, it’s not for me.

I prefer to know what lies politicians are telling. I rarely see misogyny because the algorithm knows me too well!

I don’t do Twitter or X, or whatever it’s called these days.
I find that’s the best way to ensure I’m not reading lies and misogynistic remarks.

Farage is now just making shit up. He tweeted earlier:

“Reform UK will reject the influence of the World Economic Forum and cancel Britain's membership of it.”

We aren’t a member. No country is a member.

Despite that, 14,000 people have liked his lie, and supporters are tweeting stuff like ‘oh well done, that’ll teach them, sovereign nation, thank you Nige’…

Beyond belief.

HousePlantQueen

Oreo

It does read as if you were talking about Jews growstuff glad to hear that you weren’t, it was an intake of breath moment tho.
I see there is much disgust about some of the Reform candidates, quite rightly, but I don’t like all the disgust aimed at posters or voters who intend to vote that way.

Sorry Oreo, but I just cannot comprehend how anyone on GN can still vote Reform after all we have read on here. I had a very distressing conversation with a colleague last night, who told me why they were voting Reform. I won't repeat it here, but safe to say, I think very differently about them. Disgusted in fact.

I don't understand it either.

Oreo

It does read as if you were talking about Jews growstuff glad to hear that you weren’t, it was an intake of breath moment tho.
I see there is much disgust about some of the Reform candidates, quite rightly, but I don’t like all the disgust aimed at posters or voters who intend to vote that way.

I apologise for the misunderstanding.

Oreo

It does read as if you were talking about Jews growstuff glad to hear that you weren’t, it was an intake of breath moment tho.
I see there is much disgust about some of the Reform candidates, quite rightly, but I don’t like all the disgust aimed at posters or voters who intend to vote that way.

Sorry Oreo, but I just cannot comprehend how anyone on GN can still vote Reform after all we have read on here. I had a very distressing conversation with a colleague last night, who told me why they were voting Reform. I won't repeat it here, but safe to say, I think very differently about them. Disgusted in fact.

This is a Wiki entry about Sudanese in the UK:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_in_the_United_Kingdom

The UK has historic inks with Sudan and some Sudanese are even eligible for British nationality. They were promised special entry arrangements, but these never materialised, which is why there have been Sudanes arriving on boats.

growstuff

foxie48

Dickens I don't understand either. There's so much evidence of the sort of man he is and yet people are still willing to listen to what he says. I don't believe people are stupid but I think they can be very uncritical if they hear rhetoric that chimes with what they think. I sincerely hope they are not the "silent majority" or we are in a real mess. I just hope the secret service are keeping tabs on his contacts as despite what his followers may think, IMO he is not a friend of the UK and it's citizens.

After reading about his support for Tate, I'm appalled that any woman can speak positively of Farage.

After reading about his support for Tate, I'm appalled that any woman can speak positively of Farage.

This is what I don't understand - here on GN. Grandmothers, with daughters and grand daughters...

It's not as if Farage made a rational and intelligent critique of Tate and his outpourings - he just thinks that young men are under threat for being young-men - an important voice for "emasculated" men.

What the heck is he on about? Who is threatening these young men? Women? Are we demanding too much of them by asking that they stop objectifying women, cat-calling them in the street? Attacking them? Does he want women to get back into the kitchen and allow men to dominate commerce and industry and politics - is that what he's on about?

If Tate is a "role model" then Farage is encouraging all the misogynistic hate and vitriol that this man spouts. God help us if he ever gets near the levers of power - what will this mean for women?

growstuff

Dickens

growstuff

PS. I think you're underestimating how wealthy and educated middle-class Sudanese are. I doubt many of them are so-called "economic" migrants, but their lives certainly are in danger. My daughter's father-in-law is from Sudan and still has family there. My son-in-law's cousin was attacked last year and suffered life-changing injuries.

Yes, you're right - on reflection it might not have been the best example.

I wrote in exasperation without thinking it through. I mentioned Sudan though because I believe that over 50% of its population lives in poverty and deprivation. Not to mention the torture and abuse of minorities and the hundreds of thousands of deaths under the regime of al-Bashir, and the current ongoing civil war. It's one of the poorest countries in Africa.

No problem. Sudan has a lot of poverty, but the Sudanese in the UK aren't from those families. English is one of the official languages of Sudan, so it's not surprising that they have gravitated to the UK. The UK has one of the oldest Sudanese diasporas in the world, so many people have family already in the UK. Migrants from Sudan aren't "economic" migrants because generally the lives of the Sudanese middle classes are very comfortable. My son-in'law's uncle, who is a doctor, chose to stay in Sudan rather than emigrate, although he could have done legally. It's his son who was attacked and injured/disfigured. However, the middle classes also have more power and have become targets in the civil war. Many have already left for Egypt, while those with family in the UK or US try to go there.

My son-in'law's uncle, who is a doctor, chose to stay in Sudan rather than emigrate, although he could have done legally. It's his son who was attacked and injured/disfigured.

Oh my goodness, that is horrible growstuff. Obviously, the whole family will be impacted by the attack.

The consultant-surgeon at my local hospital is from Sudan, and I'm glad he's here as, no doubt, are hundreds of others under his care. He's spoken, casually, about his established family here in the UK, but only in the general course of conversation that one sometimes has with one's medic when chatting about family.

Farage still isnt too fussy whom he appears alongside

interesting bits in whole article as well as quote

Evening standard
www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/derek-chisora-boris-johnson-clacton-reform-uk-essex-b1168503.html

"Mr Farage also defended his decision to appear alongside Chisora, who sported a pair of Reform boxing gloves, a gown emblazoned with “Nigel’s security” and a Union flag bandana.

Asked about Chisora’s conviction for assaulting a woman in 2010 and whether the boxer is a good role model for young men, the Reform UK leader said: “You know what? You show me someone who’s lived a perfect life and never been in trouble.

“With these young kids here, he’s a fantastic role model.”

foxie48

Dickens I don't understand either. There's so much evidence of the sort of man he is and yet people are still willing to listen to what he says. I don't believe people are stupid but I think they can be very uncritical if they hear rhetoric that chimes with what they think. I sincerely hope they are not the "silent majority" or we are in a real mess. I just hope the secret service are keeping tabs on his contacts as despite what his followers may think, IMO he is not a friend of the UK and it's citizens.

After reading about his support for Tate, I'm appalled that any woman can speak positively of Farage.

Dickens

growstuff

PS. I think you're underestimating how wealthy and educated middle-class Sudanese are. I doubt many of them are so-called "economic" migrants, but their lives certainly are in danger. My daughter's father-in-law is from Sudan and still has family there. My son-in-law's cousin was attacked last year and suffered life-changing injuries.

Yes, you're right - on reflection it might not have been the best example.

I wrote in exasperation without thinking it through. I mentioned Sudan though because I believe that over 50% of its population lives in poverty and deprivation. Not to mention the torture and abuse of minorities and the hundreds of thousands of deaths under the regime of al-Bashir, and the current ongoing civil war. It's one of the poorest countries in Africa.

No problem. Sudan has a lot of poverty, but the Sudanese in the UK aren't from those families. English is one of the official languages of Sudan, so it's not surprising that they have gravitated to the UK. The UK has one of the oldest Sudanese diasporas in the world, so many people have family already in the UK. Migrants from Sudan aren't "economic" migrants because generally the lives of the Sudanese middle classes are very comfortable. My son-in'law's uncle, who is a doctor, chose to stay in Sudan rather than emigrate, although he could have done legally. It's his son who was attacked and injured/disfigured. However, the middle classes also have more power and have become targets in the civil war. Many have already left for Egypt, while those with family in the UK or US try to go there.

Dickens I don't understand either. There's so much evidence of the sort of man he is and yet people are still willing to listen to what he says. I don't believe people are stupid but I think they can be very uncritical if they hear rhetoric that chimes with what they think. I sincerely hope they are not the "silent majority" or we are in a real mess. I just hope the secret service are keeping tabs on his contacts as despite what his followers may think, IMO he is not a friend of the UK and it's citizens.

Loud and clear.

... a really badly constructed comment of mine. But I hope the point is clear.

foxie48

I think supporters of any party should always look closely at who is funding that party, especially when that party is a limited company. Farage mixes with pro Putin people, there's evidence that there is, once again, Russian interference in our election and also the French and US elections and false news sites being used to discredit people. Apparently Zelensky's wife bought a Bugatti Tourbillon for 4.5 million euros, total rubbish but spread widely by Alex Jones despite it being totally untrue. BTW Farage agreed with AJ about the Sandy Hook massacre and seems to think Tate is a pretty good guy. As I said he mixes with some very dubious people!

BTW Farage agreed with AJ about the Sandy Hook massacre and seems to think Tate is a pretty good guy. As I said he mixes with some very dubious people!

I simply don't understand how anyone cannot have doubts about a man who 'sympathises' with one who thinks Sandy Hook was a hoax and another who is clearly a misogynist believing that women are men's property, belong in he home, and should bear the responsibility for being sexually assaulted.

Do the 'silent majority' of women who say they are afraid to speak really want this man with his sympathetic views on misogyny really want him to represent them?

growstuff

PS. I think you're underestimating how wealthy and educated middle-class Sudanese are. I doubt many of them are so-called "economic" migrants, but their lives certainly are in danger. My daughter's father-in-law is from Sudan and still has family there. My son-in-law's cousin was attacked last year and suffered life-changing injuries.

Yes, you're right - on reflection it might not have been the best example.

I wrote in exasperation without thinking it through. I mentioned Sudan though because I believe that over 50% of its population lives in poverty and deprivation. Not to mention the torture and abuse of minorities and the hundreds of thousands of deaths under the regime of al-Bashir, and the current ongoing civil war. It's one of the poorest countries in Africa.

It does read as if you were talking about Jews growstuff glad to hear that you weren’t, it was an intake of breath moment tho.
I see there is much disgust about some of the Reform candidates, quite rightly, but I don’t like all the disgust aimed at posters or voters who intend to vote that way.

Thanks for the clarification growstuff, initially I read in haste and assumed you were talking about Jewish people

You’re so right about Reform supporters and their glorious leader identifying as victims. These are the people who claim ‘we aren’t allowed to say anything these days’ then come out with racist, misogynistic nonsense