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We have 10 candidates! - What would you do? - warning bit of a ramble.

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sandelf Sun 30-Jun-24 20:04:23

Tory, Labour, LibDem, Green, Womens', Reform, UKIP, Independent who is a respected local Tory not chosen by national party, Ind who is against local asylum settlement, - another Ind much same. So the 'right' will be split 5 ways and the less right have 4 'flavours' to choose from. Seems total madness to me and a high probability we will have an MP very few of whose constituents support them. Going to have to put a peg on my nose and vote for the Tory whom I dislike (snooty, wanted a 'proper' chat with man of the house etc!). The popular local Conservative county councillor not adopted by central office has worked hard and long for the area - put in the long days and wet mornings on site. He is Indian by origin and Muslim. I may be wrong but I suspect his non selection is through religious and racial prejudice - and he does not have 'lovely' pronunciation - but it is never a problem. I'd vote for him but he would be only an independent MP - not good for him or us. The labour candidate is local and hard working - would be a good MP but I distrust Starmer and think he will be shoved off course by the rough boys were he to be PM. What a mess eh? Is it the same elsewhere?

varian Mon 01-Jul-24 19:36:16

You are unlikely to find a party which you absolutely agree with. It can be dispiriting and a bit pointless to keep voting for a party which has no hope of being elected in your constituency.

If we had proportional representation every vote would count and then we could all confidently vote for the party which supports most of what we want. But we don't have PR. We have the undemocratic First Past The Post system which means that most votes don't count and most voters end up with an MP they voted against.

Because of that your most effective vote is against the party you most dislike, especially where that party might otherwise win in your seat. So check out the tactical voting info and vote for the party best placed to defeat the one you dislike.

NotSpaghetti Wed 03-Jul-24 17:58:01

Just heard on LBC that Andrew Tate's brother is supporting George Galloway with "large" donations to his campaign. Don't know how much is Large... but im nearly certain this brother was charged in Romania alongside AT for imprisoning women for sex and porn films.

NotSpaghetti Wed 03-Jul-24 17:58:32

I know this is a bit off topic (sorry).

Wyllow3 Wed 03-Jul-24 18:38:57

O/P -you don't mention the Lib Dem candidate, so I presume the key choices are Lab v Conservative if you want to influence the next government.

I'd advise against voting Conservative as look at their situation now and I cannot see Sunak's saving 17billion in tax cuts without the NHS and Care and Education services currently in such a poor state being worse off.

When papers like the Sunday times advise voting Labour, and the CBI supporting Labour, its clear that they have won the trust of those who would not support the return of the far left and believe that Starmer is strong enough and has enough backing to carry out what are very modest aims.

Meanwhile the Conservatives are likely to be mired in difficulties with the far right/Reform and the fact that they have just run out of credibility.

maddyone Wed 03-Jul-24 19:04:11

It is a difficult decision and I have struggled with it. I understand anyone struggling with what to do. I have seriously considered our Independent, but he won’t get in, so what’s the point. I’m fed up with the first past the post system and I favour proportional representation really.

foxie48 Wed 03-Jul-24 19:21:12

I struggle to see how anyone could vote Conservative, not just on their record but mainly on the completely horrible back stabbing lack of loyalty that has been shown during this election. It beggars belief that Bravermann is willing to put the knife into Sunak the day before the actual election, putting her own ambitions before that of the party. I find it despicable. In the most unlikely event that the Conservatives manage to scrape a majority (which won't happen) we would just watch them implode yet again. They need time out of government to decide what sort of party they are, ATM they really don't know!

silverlining48 Wed 03-Jul-24 19:41:55

PR would bring coalitions instead of outright ‘victory,’ which many may not like, though I would support and common in Europe.
As for Labour if they win tomorrow which I hope they do, they will have to deal with so many problems left after the last 14 years of Tory government that it will take a while, it wont be done immediately.
By the time things have started to improve the Tories will be voted back in, given their record of power for 75 of the last 100 years.
So most blame for our woes has to be at the feet of the conservatives. Just saying …..

LucyAnna2 Wed 03-Jul-24 21:12:04

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Siope Wed 03-Jul-24 23:52:09

LucyAnna2

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This. Always.

growstuff Thu 04-Jul-24 00:13:42

varian

You are unlikely to find a party which you absolutely agree with. It can be dispiriting and a bit pointless to keep voting for a party which has no hope of being elected in your constituency.

If we had proportional representation every vote would count and then we could all confidently vote for the party which supports most of what we want. But we don't have PR. We have the undemocratic First Past The Post system which means that most votes don't count and most voters end up with an MP they voted against.

Because of that your most effective vote is against the party you most dislike, especially where that party might otherwise win in your seat. So check out the tactical voting info and vote for the party best placed to defeat the one you dislike.

It's not a massive amount, but political parties do get Short Money, which amounts to £38.75 a year for every 200 votes won at the last election. The LibDems have benefited from it, despite not having the number of seats to match their votes.

Lovetopaint037 Thu 04-Jul-24 01:22:03

Whitewavemark2

Yes vote Labour. As others have said. Starmer is very ruthless and throughout his life, it seems that he sets himself a goal and has always achieved it.

So since he has been the leader, he has set himself the goal of cleaning up the Labour Party and has achieved it in much less time people thought was possible. He is definitely a country before party man as well.

I also think that parliamentary standards will rise under his guidance and democracy will be the winner.

He is if you read anything about him more left leaning than the media suggest, and I think that this will be reflected in labours policies going forward.

I shall be the first to criticise, but I’m hoping that my criticisms will be few.

So join what seems to be a vast majority in the country snd vote Labour😀😀😀👍👍👍

Well done Whitewavemark 2. Agree exactly. I want, and the country needs, a serious and focussed mind. Fed up with antics and so called personality. Starmer has been criticised because he is not loud and bombastic. He speaks in a considered and measured fashion. He reminds me of Attlee, remember him back-in the day. You know the government that gave us the NHS and State Pensions that are so important to us now. Also I remember the short wait for a hip replacement under the Blair Labour government. As Whitewavemark has correctly said. “Vote Labour”.

grannyactivist Thu 04-Jul-24 06:52:30

LucyAnna2

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