US supreme court rules Trump has ‘absolute immunity’ for official acts

MayBee70, I agree with you that Biden is not capable either but I think he is the less dangerous of the two.

All you ladies here are very aware and informed about our election and both US candidates… more so than most Americans are of what’s happening in Britain. I commend you. You’re excellent debaters!

All elections are a little messy, controversial or chaotic. THIS ONE is a different animal altogether! Ageism is at the forefront (both candidates); DEMOCRACY is on the line; one leads a cult and lies about everything - the other has a proven record and runs on truth; this might be the last free election in our country.

It’s just so sad. People have been sleep-walking and allowed these conspiracy theories to go mainstream, history does repeat itself and we are at the doorstep.

Yes, NotSpaghetti Sotomsyor said that in her dissent and Biden gave credit to her last night in his speech. I left out her name here - too much to type. I included that because Biden is not accepting that himself.

What's the point in relying to deliberate provocation?

It was the right decision. Can’t wait for the responses I’m going to get!!

Syracute

MayBee70

Macadia

Daffonanna

Why are the Democrats and the Biden family so determined to keep the current President in the election ? If he cannot continue for any reason his unpopular Vice President succeeds him. It has to be about more than ego
Do they know something we don’t ?

The reason why Biden is still part of the election is because he is the ONLY person that has the slightest chance of stopping Trump from winning the election. If Trump was not running for president, Biden would not need to. It is nothing about ego. He is sacrificing the rest of his life for democracy. He is only running to save the world from the danger of Trump because no other candidate has the capability of stopping Trump.

I think any other Democrat candidate would be able to stop people voting for Trump. The electorate are desperate for an alternative. But he has to stand down for that to happen: they can’t just remove him. And there is still time.

There are enough Americans who are very angry with the Supreme Court ruling that they will vote for Biden . It really annoys me that people think that Trump is even capable. He is not his behavior at the debate deserves a lot more serious questioning then what he gets. He made no sense most of the debate and yet Maybee that seems to have slipped you by.

At no point have I ever said that Trump is capable of governing or that he is anything other than a misogynistic , racist liar. But that doesn’t mean that I have to believe that Biden is physically capable of being the most powerful leader in the world for the next 4+ years.

I think that was Justice Sotomayor who said "in fear for our democracy- I dissent", Gundy

I believe that in some, or maybe all, states in the US, having a conviction can mean the denial of a vote for a specified period of time or even permanently in some cases.

What a crazy system when a convicted person can stand for President - and even carry out presidential duties from prison - whereas ordinary people may lose their vote.

Putin is extremely famous, powerful and rich. That's what Trump aspires to be.

Trump sounds more and more like Putin every day and no doubt dreams of the same powers. Biden is really not fit enough for the huge responsibilities of Presidential office. What a choice! Pretty much as bad as ours!

Trump is determined to turn the USA into Russia.

No matter how much people say how deplorable Trump is, it makes very little difference.

Whether we like it or not he is hugely popular with some people..

Friends and family in the US tell me that all the negativity towards him by film stars/singers/nonentities can actually have the opposite effect. It's not helpful classing those who vote for him with so much negativity. There are people, not particularly bothered by politics, who vote for him just to annoy those who endlessly spout negativity.

Biden needs to go or it's quite likely Trump will win.

And then it's wait and see what happens

MayBee70

Macadia

Daffonanna

Why are the Democrats and the Biden family so determined to keep the current President in the election ? If he cannot continue for any reason his unpopular Vice President succeeds him. It has to be about more than ego
Do they know something we don’t ?

The reason why Biden is still part of the election is because he is the ONLY person that has the slightest chance of stopping Trump from winning the election. If Trump was not running for president, Biden would not need to. It is nothing about ego. He is sacrificing the rest of his life for democracy. He is only running to save the world from the danger of Trump because no other candidate has the capability of stopping Trump.

I think any other Democrat candidate would be able to stop people voting for Trump. The electorate are desperate for an alternative. But he has to stand down for that to happen: they can’t just remove him. And there is still time.

There are enough Americans who are very angry with the Supreme Court ruling that they will vote for Biden . It really annoys me that people think that Trump is even capable. He is not his behavior at the debate deserves a lot more serious questioning then what he gets. He made no sense most of the debate and yet Maybee that seems to have slipped you by.

Macadia

Daffonanna

Why are the Democrats and the Biden family so determined to keep the current President in the election ? If he cannot continue for any reason his unpopular Vice President succeeds him. It has to be about more than ego
Do they know something we don’t ?

The reason why Biden is still part of the election is because he is the ONLY person that has the slightest chance of stopping Trump from winning the election. If Trump was not running for president, Biden would not need to. It is nothing about ego. He is sacrificing the rest of his life for democracy. He is only running to save the world from the danger of Trump because no other candidate has the capability of stopping Trump.

I think any other Democrat candidate would be able to stop people voting for Trump. The electorate are desperate for an alternative. But he has to stand down for that to happen: they can’t just remove him. And there is still time.

Daffonanna

Why are the Democrats and the Biden family so determined to keep the current President in the election ? If he cannot continue for any reason his unpopular Vice President succeeds him. It has to be about more than ego
Do they know something we don’t ?

The reason why Biden is still part of the election is because he is the ONLY person that has the slightest chance of stopping Trump from winning the election. If Trump was not running for president, Biden would not need to. It is nothing about ego. He is sacrificing the rest of his life for democracy. He is only running to save the world from the danger of Trump because no other candidate has the capability of stopping Trump.

I struggle to understand how people don't learn the lessons of history.

Adolf Hitler was voted into power and then promptly changed the rules regarding elections, and enforced those rules with bully boys.

People in this country are going to the polls in a matter of hours now- even here I get sick of hearing 'they're all the same, no point in voting blah blah blah'.

The uncomfortable truth is people often can't be bothered to participate in the democratic process because they're lazy and would rather someone else do their thinking for them.

The appeal of Donald Trump is that he offers to do that, they think he's like them and will get rid of all the external malign influences they blame for wrecking the country. It is the politics of fear and somehow they believe that Trump, Johnson and now Farage and LePenn will somehow protect them.

It is only when they realise the old maxim, 'first they came for the Jews...' that they realise it is too late.

I feel we are also at a turning point here in the UK- only Thursday will show if we choose the politics of hope over the politics of fear.

There was a reason POTUS Trump ensured that the judiciary was 6 - 3 in his parties favour

This is why the judiciary should never be political appointees.

King John forced to sign Magna Carta, Charles the First got his head cut off over the Ship Tax.

But both those events happened because the Kings' opponents had control of the armed forces. He who controls the military controls the country. James II had to flee because the army leaders turned against him.

If the armed forces and the police were to turn against Trump he wouldn't stand much of a chance. But, of course, they won't.

A philosophical thought.

We might think that we are governed by consent by democratically elected governments. But actually, the reason we do as we're told is because the government controls the instruments of enforcement...
What happens to citizens who protest?

NotSpaghetti: Callistemon213 - they mean an old-style monarch.
Not our sort - which is different.

Even the old-style monarchs didn't always get away with just anything they felt like doing when in power - King John forced to sign Magna Carta, Charles the First got his head cut off over the Ship Tax. As Whitewavemark suggested - more like the powers of a dictator!

The inauguration after Jan 6th felt like the US had thankfully returned to its senses and was now back in a safe , loyal and experienced pair of hands . Those hands are now a little shaky after an incredibly tough 4 years . Bidens team would support him if he won another 4 years , but in a democracy this cannot happen unless he is seen to be electable. . Dictators and their brainwashed nations are watching the democratic process appear to destroy itself in front of the world’s media .
BBC sounds Americast ( US arm of Newscast ) is worth following .

A (corrupt) imperial court has created an imperial presidency. Now, this decision applies to Biden too, for his use, for the last 6.5 months of his term.

The choice in November will come down to which candidates will exercise the BEST JUDGEMENT in using this sweeping power.

Trump wants to be King-Kong and wipe away our constitution for the last 250 yrs. This also gives Trump the ability to exert his revenge and retribution on his perceived enemies (political opponents, military, media… which he has preached since he recentered the race.)

In Biden’s address to the country last night he said “*in fear for our democracy - I dissent.*”

Please pray for our Republic. The outcome of this election will affect world politics.
USA Gundy

We mostly seem to realise what a charlatan Trump is but we're not voting. He has enormous support in the USA. Frightening.

At the D day commemorations Joe Biden gave a lengthy speech, quoting names, dates and events. I couldn't see an autocue, or notes, and he wasn't wearing glasses. This was surprisingly impressive, but much less so was hearing Trump rambling and ranting at another event a week ago. Trump frightens me - he looks like a petulant, sulking. aggressive toddler and his speech seems that of a man with a poor grasp of decent grammar. With the US elections looming, and the strong feeling that I need to vote for the party likely to do the least damage here - what a poor prospect .

MayBee70

The world has judged Biden on that one debate, as has his own country. Most of us admire him. Most of us abhorr the thought of Trump being re-elected. But most of us see that, if Trump is to be defeated ( and it’s vitally important for the whole world as well as America that he is) Biden must stand down and allow someone else to do it. Even though he didn’t lie in the way that Trump did, he still got a lot of his facts wrong which destroyed his counter arguments against Trumps lies. People that want to vote for the Democrats but can’t vote for someone that will not be physically able to be president for another 4 years must be given an alternative. Biden will not defeat Trump as it stands. The last great public duty that Biden can perform is to step down and step down now.

I agree with every word of this.

😁

I was wondering if thst meant badger NotSpaghetti, and wonder who Badger was 🦡