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Labour in line to get the largest majority since 1832......

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maddyone Wed 03-Jul-24 18:51:04

GrannyGravy13

If Labour get in with a so called super majority they cannot be held to account by the opposition.

They will have carte blanche to do as they please.

A strong and capable opposition is an asset to Westminster.

I couldn’t put it better myself 👏👏👏

Iam64 Wed 03-Jul-24 18:46:38

I’m not in the least scared. A neighbour challenged me about my Labour campaign poster. He said ‘they’ll put our council tax up ‘“. They’ve just returned from a 5* 3 week cruise. He, like me, can afford a bit more to help our council deliver services.
I’d be terrified if we were facing another 80 seat Tory majority. Our public services are devastated. I’m more confident Labour will attempt repair -its clear the tories would continue to destroy and privatise

Merion Wed 03-Jul-24 18:46:20

Quoting from the linked article:

In reality, apart from the HR problems created for the opposition leader, in parliamentary terms the difference between an 80-seat and 200-seat majority is not material – the most significant factor for democracy is the attitude a government takes to the role of parliament and the value of scrutiny.

[In 2019] Boris Johnson secured a much larger majority and immediately adopted the attitude that nobody should be able to oppose his parliamentary plans. His ministers refused to entertain even the smallest amendments to bills and some were extremely reluctant to appear before select committees. He was free with the creation of new ministerial powers and their exercise – using secondary legislation to pass numerous measures without the possibility of parliamentary opposition.

It’s rich for Sunak to complain about something that under Johnson, with him as Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Tory party saw fit to exploit undemocratically.

Starmer is unlikely to behave in the same undemocratic manner.

Callistemon213 Wed 03-Jul-24 18:41:29

Well, if some voters in Wales , just interviewed on ITV, are anything to go by it's anyone's guess!
Shown a picture of Keir Starmer, one man said "Starman, is it?", another said "Who is he?" and two older ladies said "Never heard of him".

Oh dear.

Siope Wed 03-Jul-24 18:38:31

The IFG article, on how the Tories have systematically undermined Parliamentary scrutiny, and noting that the important question to ask of Labour whether they will restore it, is very good.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 03-Jul-24 18:33:12

I concede I should have put large majority

Merion Wed 03-Jul-24 18:33:06

Agreed. No such thing as a supermajority in UK governance. Said to be something Shapps came up with which Sunak has then adopted as a slogan.

Watch this from the Institute for Govermment

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq7wNiIZDFI

and read this:

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/comment/conservatives-supermajority-warnings

Siope Wed 03-Jul-24 18:31:30

There is no such thing as a supermajority in British politics.

I agree that a good opposition is needed but good doesn’t necessarily equal large.

NannyJan53 Wed 03-Jul-24 18:25:11

Not worried at all

Casdon Wed 03-Jul-24 18:23:33

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

I’d be very surprised if that happens. I think it’s being hyped up by the media and the Tories, so when the Tories get more seats than predicted they will be able to salvage some dignity.

It’s based on the multitude of polls taken since the election was called.

I know - and the undecideds will affect it.

Casdon Wed 03-Jul-24 18:23:05

Also, there is no such thing as a super majority, that’s a myth the Tories have dreamed up. A comfortable majority of 40 plus seats has exactly the same impact on parliamentary business as a majority of 100+ does - and of course what did the Tories have in 2019?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 03-Jul-24 18:22:35

Casdon

I’d be very surprised if that happens. I think it’s being hyped up by the media and the Tories, so when the Tories get more seats than predicted they will be able to salvage some dignity.

It’s based on the multitude of polls taken since the election was called.

Casdon Wed 03-Jul-24 18:20:26

I’d be very surprised if that happens. I think it’s being hyped up by the media and the Tories, so when the Tories get more seats than predicted they will be able to salvage some dignity.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 03-Jul-24 18:20:24

If Labour get in with a so called super majority they cannot be held to account by the opposition.

They will have carte blanche to do as they please.

A strong and capable opposition is an asset to Westminster.

Daz57 Wed 03-Jul-24 18:19:04

I am scared not least as he is going to tax pensioners hard. According to his advisers.

LizzieDrip Wed 03-Jul-24 18:18:59

No, not worried at all. Why would it be worrying? Was anyone worried when Johnson had an 80 seat majority in 2019?

MissAdventure Wed 03-Jul-24 18:17:29

No, I'm not at all worried.

Siope Wed 03-Jul-24 18:17:20

Genuine question: why is it terrifying? How is it different to having a 30 or 50 seat majority?

LucyAnna2 Wed 03-Jul-24 18:14:32

What do you feel the implications will be, kittylester, that we should worry about?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 03-Jul-24 18:12:57

I am terrified.

kittylester Wed 03-Jul-24 18:11:58

Is no one else worried about the implications?