Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

If we’re talking about people who know how to present themselves, forget all of them . . . Except Carla Denyer.

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Germanshepherdsmum

Mouse

I find the snobbery of the attitude towards Angela Raynor by some truly shocking. I thought we had grown beyond that. AR is an intelligent and successful woman who has made her way without the advantages of some. Made her way on her own merit and deserves respect for that.

So have others but they know how to speak and behave in a position of responsibility. She is an embarrassment.

I think Angela Raynor is amazing and presents herself very well. Good luck to her and Sir Keir!

Germanshepherdsmum

Mouse

I find the snobbery of the attitude towards Angela Raynor by some truly shocking. I thought we had grown beyond that. AR is an intelligent and successful woman who has made her way without the advantages of some. Made her way on her own merit and deserves respect for that.

So have others but they know how to speak and behave in a position of responsibility. She is an embarrassment.

What you mean is that she doesn't have what is often regarded as a "posh" accent. I'm often accused of being posh by people who don't know me because of the way I speak. I ain't!

winterwhite

Dinahmo "None of the political parties has addressed the problem of elderly care."

I think you have missed what Ed Davey has been saying about social and personal care. One of the national newspapers said last week that ED's campaign has forced RS and KS to think seriously about social care at last.

Sorry, not me.

Mouse

I find the snobbery of the attitude towards Angela Raynor by some truly shocking. I thought we had grown beyond that. AR is an intelligent and successful woman who has made her way without the advantages of some. Made her way on her own merit and deserves respect for that.

So have others but they know how to speak and behave in a position of responsibility. She is an embarrassment.

Flip! That's a lot of bad quite some burden to carry in such a high powered job.

Joseann

winterwhite

Dinahmo "None of the political parties has addressed the problem of elderly care."

I think you have missed what Ed Davey has been saying about social and personal care. One of the national newspapers said last week that ED's campaign has forced RS and KS to think seriously about social care at last.

Yes, Ed Davey's party political broadcast on tv was all about care because he personally cared for his mother, and he is worried who will care for his young disabled son in the future. I think he said TheLiberalDemocrats will be the voice of carers in Parliament. And that unpaid carers would be the priority.

Not only that, but his wife has MS.

I find the snobbery of the attitude towards Angela Raynor by some truly shocking. I thought we had grown beyond that. AR is an intelligent and successful woman who has made her way without the advantages of some. Made her way on her own merit and deserves respect for that.

winterwhite

Dinahmo "None of the political parties has addressed the problem of elderly care."

I think you have missed what Ed Davey has been saying about social and personal care. One of the national newspapers said last week that ED's campaign has forced RS and KS to think seriously about social care at last.

Yes, Ed Davey's party political broadcast on tv was all about care because he personally cared for his mother, and he is worried who will care for his young disabled son in the future. I think he said TheLiberalDemocrats will be the voice of carers in Parliament. And that unpaid carers would be the priority.

All talk about class is bonkers, the only gradient that counts is how much money you have. Someone scraping along on £15k a year has a very different lifestyle to someone on £25k, or £50k or £100K and will have different cultural aspirations and make different lifestylee choices.

ronib

Casdon I understand that but there’s a lot of physical pain involved in broken ribs and spinal injuries. There was talk of a back brace to help but that’s been discounted. I think that physical safety should be a priority in assessing care needs and yes, government is involved via local care teams.

What does your friend herself want to happen ronib, that’s the key question. If she has capacity, it’s totally her choice even if she is at substantial risk?

Reform are far from irrelevant. I hope they don’t win any seats
Farage is a disrupter, much like his friend Trump. He lacks integrity and lies easily. How anyone can see Reform as a better choice than the awful tories I don’t know

MayBee70

maddyone

BlueBelle
Reform won’t win. They’re irrelevant.

They are not irrelevant. Along with Johnson they have been responsible for destroying the Conservative Party albeit having minimal influence as MP’s ( can’t remember if they’ve ever had an elected MP or if it’s only by defections). They are what has been driving the Conservative Party to the far right.

Far from irrelevent, and very dangerous. I just came back from
the polling station and have never seen it so busy since the Brexit referendum.

Farage succeeded getting people to vote for their own suicide without even being an MP. Now they seem to be voting for him again!!

I didn't feel at all depressed until I went to vote...

maddyone

BlueBelle
Reform won’t win. They’re irrelevant.

They are not irrelevant. Along with Johnson they have been responsible for destroying the Conservative Party albeit having minimal influence as MP’s ( can’t remember if they’ve ever had an elected MP or if it’s only by defections). They are what has been driving the Conservative Party to the far right.

Dinahmo "None of the political parties has addressed the problem of elderly care."

I think you have missed what Ed Davey has been saying about social and personal care. One of the national newspapers said last week that ED's campaign has forced RS and KS to think seriously about social care at last.

I am just looking forward to the Scottish parliament elections to get rid of the SNP . We have the highest taxation in the UK and professional people are moving away because of it . The stupid minimum prices for booze are the pits as well .

maddyone

MaizieD

Labour are just as corrupt as Conservatives.

There's an old saying 'You can't step into the same river twice'

The Labour party of today is not the same as the Labour party of even 8 years ago, let alone 17 years ago.

I'd prefer to judge them on their current record and future actions rather than those of the past.

I hope you’re right Maizie as we are going to have a Labour government by tomorrow.

I jolly well hope I'm right, too!

Come the first scandal I'd never hear the end of it😱

I don't expect them to be perfect, just better.

Can’t wait to get rid of the talentless bunch of no hopers who have been ineffective Tory ministers - Shapps, Coffey, Williamson, Patel, Truss and the rest . Can’t imagine why anyone would think they deserve another term.

Casdon I understand that but there’s a lot of physical pain involved in broken ribs and spinal injuries. There was talk of a back brace to help but that’s been discounted. I think that physical safety should be a priority in assessing care needs and yes, government is involved via local care teams.

Callistemon213

Good lost Terribull.
Blair and Campbell's actions left us in a far less safe position and it was all about oil.

Campbell was the Cummings of his day, a Machiavellian character. Both of these unelected SPADS had far too much influence on policy and decision-making.

I was only thinking that as I wrote my post. Campbell and Mandleson were the equivalent of Cummings.
None of them likeable, with too much power. And all unelected.

The biggest issue though ronib is that the wishes of the older person always come first, and presumably that’s not what she wants herself, although it would be possible to set such a plan into action if she did. I don’t think this is something any government can solve - there can be improvements to home care so people can have their wish to stay at home for longer than they are able to now if staff can be sourced, but ultimately it will always be down to individual choice, and most people just don’t want to go into care.

MaizieD

^Labour are just as corrupt as Conservatives.^

There's an old saying 'You can't step into the same river twice'

The Labour party of today is not the same as the Labour party of even 8 years ago, let alone 17 years ago.

I'd prefer to judge them on their current record and future actions rather than those of the past.

I hope you’re right Maizie as we are going to have a Labour government by tomorrow.

Maizie I wish I could tell posters more. What I know is that the pay of doctors has been held down viciously by this government. They should hang their heads in shame over this. They’ve also restricted the number of students allowed to study medicine, which had been increased by the Blair government, not enough, but still increased. My daughter has been practicing medicine for nearly twenty years. Her pay is lower than both her brothers, a senior barrister and a financial director, even though her qualifications are equivalent. It took twelve years of training for her to become a senior doctor, a GP, which is consultant level. She has taken on extra training in order to work in other roles as well as a GP. She is fully trained now on managing the menopause and she works in her own time at a private menopause clinic, for which she is paid of course. She also has been trained so that she can work as a medical, collecting forensic evidence from girls and women who have been abused or raped. She is also qualified to councel these women. It is mentally draining work. She also works in ED, equivalent to our A+E, providing GP services to those who cannot get a GP appointment. She does evening shifts there, when her children are with her ex husband. This all as well as a full time GP job. And yet even in New Zealand, where she works currently, she earns so much less than other equally qualified people in other roles.
This government has caused a national drain of highly trained doctors to other countries. It is a scandal.
(And for our family, a terrible loss, but that’s just us, who are hurt.)

Casdon. For my particular friend, I would like to keep her safe in a well run home because she’s always falling and breaking her bones. Can’t be much fun!

I think one solution is to take out an indemnity policy to cover future care home fees, funded from the sale of her property. However, how to persuade her is another matter.