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Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

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Kandinsky Thu 04-Jul-24 07:38:24

I’d like to feel optimistic that things will improve I really would - I was pleased Blair got in in 97, but this feels different some how?
I’m kind of dreading the next - god knows how many years - under Labour.
Oh well.

maddyone Thu 04-Jul-24 15:59:48

Callistemon213

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Shall I tell her?

I had somehow missed that so didn’t reply grin

fancythat Thu 04-Jul-24 15:59:28

JaneJudge

We have a junior Dr in the family, their pay is appalling. I got paid more for working in a factory

Why has their pay slipped so much in recent years. If it has.

HousePlantQueen Thu 04-Jul-24 15:58:51

Rockyroad

Iam64

HousePlantQueen
Primrose53
Not exactly doom but a feeling of embarrassment that flip flopping Starmer could be in charge and, even worse, will have the foul mouthed “gob on a stick” as she is frequently called, alongside him.

Imagine them representing our country with leaders from all nations and then they rock up! 🤮🤮
I will never forget that picture of the two of them taking the knee! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What a vulgar comment
My mum would say ‘common’

No more ‘common’ than Raynor calling Tories ‘scum’
She is a complete embarrassment.

Johnson's "Fuck business". Was that OK with you? Or his constant lies in HoC.

What strange standards some have

MayBee70 Thu 04-Jul-24 15:58:43

Primrose53

Not exactly doom but a feeling of embarrassment that flip flopping Starmer could be in charge and, even worse, will have the foul mouthed “gob on a stick” as she is frequently called, alongside him.

Imagine them representing our country with leaders from all nations and then they rock up! 🤮🤮
I will never forget that picture of the two of them taking the knee! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Starmer represented us in France on D Day when Sunak embarrassingly left to do an election interview. I don’t think he looked out of place there. I kept thinking how embarrassed I would have felt if Johnson was representing us at that event. Or Truss after her comment about Macron ( something that I very much doubt Angela would have said).

MissAdventure Thu 04-Jul-24 15:56:49

Thats exactly what she says too.
Nurses do regular overtime which can pay almost as much as to double their wage, but junior doctors are earning about £14 per hour, by her reckoning.

JaneJudge Thu 04-Jul-24 15:52:44

We have a junior Dr in the family, their pay is appalling. I got paid more for working in a factory

MissAdventure Thu 04-Jul-24 15:51:57

My next door neighbour who works in a,hospital as management says that junior doctors are the people that really deserve to earn more.

Callistemon213 Thu 04-Jul-24 15:48:01

Sorry, couldn't resist.

MissAdventure Thu 04-Jul-24 15:47:55

I was an executive officer in the civil service at 19, but I wouldnt have changed class.

It was just a cushy job.

Neither do I feel "less than" for washing bums as my job role.

I just fancied doing it (not the bums part, actually) and found I was quite good at it, and it fulfilled some sort of sense of doing a little bit of good.

Callistemon213 Thu 04-Jul-24 15:47:43

Optomistic1

Maddyone - are you a doctor or ever worked in the NHS because unless you can answer yes to either you do not know the true facts about drs pay.

🤣🤣🤣

Optomistic1 Thu 04-Jul-24 15:46:55

Maddyone - are you a doctor or ever worked in the NHS because unless you can answer yes to either you do not know the true facts about drs pay.

Anniebach Thu 04-Jul-24 15:46:44

Anyone who can speak of Angela Rayner as a ‘gob on a stick’ is an example of ‘a gob on a stick ‘ ?

JaneJudge Thu 04-Jul-24 15:44:35

Siope

I wonder if you ever change class. I subscribe to the theory that you don’t. No matter how many trappings of a middle class lifestyle I have (education, cultural capital, career, and so on), I sm working class. My children, however, are not.

same, even my own family think my kids are posh grin

Callistemon213 Thu 04-Jul-24 15:42:05

maddyone

^AR is working class^

No. She was working class. Now she’s middle class.

"We're all middle class now"
#John Prescott.

Apart from Prescott who is a Lord!

Siope Thu 04-Jul-24 15:41:03

I wonder if you ever change class. I subscribe to the theory that you don’t. No matter how many trappings of a middle class lifestyle I have (education, cultural capital, career, and so on), I sm working class. My children, however, are not.

MissAdventure Thu 04-Jul-24 15:30:32

I think class is about a whole lot more than money or property.
Money can't buy it.

maddyone Thu 04-Jul-24 15:28:45

AR is working class

No. She was working class. Now she’s middle class.

Iam64 Thu 04-Jul-24 15:27:50

I wasn’t referring to Angela as common

Wyllow3 Thu 04-Jul-24 15:17:14

Callistemon213

It was nothing to do with the Windrush scandal, it was a reaction to the murder of George Floyd in the USA.

I know what the precipitating event was of course.

What then happened in the US and UK was the Black Lives Matter Movement driven by the many factors I've mentioned above and some I haven't, like racism in football. And yes, Windrush was alluded to in Black Lives Matter, I know, I was involved locally. (as far as one could be, in Covid).

Siope Thu 04-Jul-24 15:15:49

Many of the shadow cabinet are from working class backgrounds. Thankfully.

Professor Sam Friedman of the LSE has calculated it at 46% (compared to 7% for Sunak’s) and I haven’t seen any scholars - or politicians - disputing that.

JaneJudge Thu 04-Jul-24 15:09:25

I've just voted too Fleur, it was quite busy

I wish people wouldn't call people common, it's degrading. We cannot help where we are born or who we are born to. Our background gives us a unique identity and nobody should be ashamed of who they are and where they come from. The Labour party was originally set up to give working class people more representation in parliament, AR is working class.

maddyone Thu 04-Jul-24 15:07:22

Yes it was Callistemon.

MissAdventure Thu 04-Jul-24 15:07:16

Yes, but we surely are past a time of lumping everyone together.

There are always riots when there are protesters, but everyone is an individual.

Callistemon213 Thu 04-Jul-24 15:06:27

It was nothing to do with the Windrush scandal, it was a reaction to the murder of George Floyd in the USA.

Rockyroad Thu 04-Jul-24 15:05:50

Iam64

HousePlantQueen
Primrose53
Not exactly doom but a feeling of embarrassment that flip flopping Starmer could be in charge and, even worse, will have the foul mouthed “gob on a stick” as she is frequently called, alongside him.

Imagine them representing our country with leaders from all nations and then they rock up! 🤮🤮
I will never forget that picture of the two of them taking the knee! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What a vulgar comment
My mum would say ‘common’

No more ‘common’ than Raynor calling Tories ‘scum’
She is a complete embarrassment.