Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

Casdon

That’s true Kandinsky. - and if we had PR we wouldn’t have had a Tory government for the last 14 years, and we wouldn’t have had Brexit. The UK would be a very different country to what it is now.

Wales and Scotland operard AMS for their Parliamentary elections.

Callistemon213

Kandinsky

Did remain get more votes than leave then?
I can’t remember how the Brexit referendum worked?

No.

On 24 June 2016, the recorded result was that the UK voted to leave the European Union by 51.89% for Leave to 48.11% for Remain, a small margin of 3.78%. This corresponded to 17,410,742 votes to leave and 16,141,241 to remain, a margin of 1,269,501 votes.

Of the people who voted. If there was PR then a much higher proportion of the population would be expected to vote as their interests would be represented at all levels of government. At least, that’s how I understand it.

Kandinsky

Did remain get more votes than leave then?
I can’t remember how the Brexit referendum worked?

No.

On 24 June 2016, the recorded result was that the UK voted to leave the European Union by 51.89% for Leave to 48.11% for Remain, a small margin of 3.78%. This corresponded to 17,410,742 votes to leave and 16,141,241 to remain, a margin of 1,269,501 votes.

Did remain get more votes than leave then?
I can’t remember how the Brexit referendum worked?

That’s true Kandinsky. - and if we had PR we wouldn’t have had a Tory government for the last 14 years, and we wouldn’t have had Brexit. The UK would be a very different country to what it is now.

He’ll certainly try and change our FPTP voting system - he won’t get anywhere with that though as our system favours the bigger parties so they won’t change it.
Unbelievable that Labour won a ‘landslide’ victory with only 34% of the votes.

C&P this from BBC news.

A purely proportional system - where national vote share translated exactly into the number of seats - in 2024 would have given Labour about 195 seats and no majority. The Tories would have had 156 seats, Reform 91, the Liberal Democrats 78 and the Greens 45

So purely on votes, reform is the third biggest party in the country!

nanna8 Yes Farage ‘got Brexit through’ by lying, conning and scamming the British people. Not all of us fell for his lies - but many did.

Brexit has done immeasurable damage to the UK, in ways that we may never recover from. It’s been an absolute failure - that’s why the Tories completely ignored it during their election campaign. There are NO ‘Brexit benefits’!

Regarding Farage ‘having a personality’ - you need more than a personality and a big mouth to be a politician.

You say you’d welcome him in Australia! Please, please take him. He’s yours!!!

George Galloway when he became an MP ssid *we coming for
Labour’

And as for Farage……so he’s ’coming for Labour’!

He and his little gang of 4? 🤣

And if there’s anything this country does NOT need it’s more conflict and lies. What happened to working together to improve things?

Poppyred

Yes! People have such short memories…….the last Labour government ruined this country for ever.

What planet are you on? You clearly know nothing about how Labour supported education and the NHS.

Ruined the country for ever!!!! You certainly bought into that guff didn’t you?

Chestnut

Casdon

Dinamho, this thread is the current safe space of disaffected Tory voters who haven’t yet faced up to the horror of the position they find themselves in. Migrants are deeemd to be fair game for having a go at Labour when you don’t currently have my other tools in your chest. It’s best just to let them get on with it in peace.

It seems your words were meaningless and this thread is no longer that safe space. The anti Farage brigade has struck again! Why does every thread have to be taken over by Farage bashers? It's getting tiresome and boringly repetitive.

Disaffected Tory voters are not all Farage fans Chestnut? If you follow the politics threads you will know that not by any means all of the posters who express concerns about Farage or comment on threads are supporters of Labour either, it’s just a cross section of the Gransnet community, which is a subset of the voting public. A cluster of comments in support of one ideology is the best it ever gets for that group of supporters until somebody with an opposing view steps in.

He got Brexit through though, didn’t he ? We were amazed when that happened, totally amazed , thought the UK had gone mad but watching him now I understand all too well. Wait and see- things will be different with him around. Maybe better, maybe worse but they will change.

“I totally agree, I am too fed up of the Farage bashers. I voted for him and think he would make a great Prime minister as he says it how it is and does not fumble about when speaking.”

The problem with Farage is that he can say whatever outrageous thing he wants without any consequences, he is never going to have any political power.
The easily led voters believe his ideas but as we found with Brexit in the real world cannot be achieved.

I don’t agree with Farage more often than not but I can see he is a very,very good speaker and he has a personality which is more than you can say for most of them. I’d welcome him here with open arms because our lot are very wishy washy. People like to be in their comfort zone but he challenges that and good for him. I think he is very patriotic unlike many of his opposition.

Chestnut

Casdon

Dinamho, this thread is the current safe space of disaffected Tory voters who haven’t yet faced up to the horror of the position they find themselves in. Migrants are deeemd to be fair game for having a go at Labour when you don’t currently have my other tools in your chest. It’s best just to let them get on with it in peace.

It seems your words were meaningless and this thread is no longer that safe space. The anti Farage brigade has struck again! Why does every thread have to be taken over by Farage bashers? It's getting tiresome and boringly repetitive.

I totally agree, I am too fed up of the Farage bashers. I voted for him and think he would make a great Prime minister as he says it how it is and does not fumble about when speaking.

Some of the posters on the forum seem to get quite annoyed when someone actually states they like Farage and voted for him. We all have our own opinions and I would never get annoyed with someone who said they had voted for Labour or the Conservatives, we all are entitled to our own point of view.

nanna8

I think Farage and his ilk will actually be good for the Labour Party because otherwise they would be totally unopposed and have a green light to do whatever they want. He at least will be another voice with another point of view. The pathetic Conservatives won’t be much chop at all, they can’t even agree amongst themselves.

I agree with you. Farage thinks the same way as many people do and says it as it is. I was impressed with him on I'm a Celebrity and agreed with everything he said.

Kandinsky

I’d like to feel optimistic that things will improve I really would - I was pleased Blair got in in 97, but this feels different some how?
I’m kind of dreading the next - god knows how many years - under Labour.
Oh well.

I have given up hope of any government doing what they promised to do when they were canvassing before the election. Once they are in power, they do what they want and we cannot do a thing about it until the next general election comes along.

Farage is a hollow loud man. What is it they say about empty vessels?

If he's so great you can have him then....

I think Farage and his ilk will actually be good for the Labour Party because otherwise they would be totally unopposed and have a green light to do whatever they want. He at least will be another voice with another point of view. The pathetic Conservatives won’t be much chop at all, they can’t even agree amongst themselves.

No, not at all. And you must be one of a (fortunately) vanishing breed. A miserable Tory/Farage acolyte.

I’m worried about the US election which will surely affect us all -yet we get no vote!

Probably because people who are terrified of the thought of a Labour government don’t seem to understand how equally horrified many of us feel at the thought of Farage and his party becoming the main party of opposition or, even worse, the party in power.

Casdon

*Dinamho*, this thread is the current safe space of disaffected Tory voters who haven’t yet faced up to the horror of the position they find themselves in. Migrants are deeemd to be fair game for having a go at Labour when you don’t currently have my other tools in your chest. It’s best just to let them get on with it in peace.

It seems your words were meaningless and this thread is no longer that safe space. The anti Farage brigade has struck again! Why does every thread have to be taken over by Farage bashers? It's getting tiresome and boringly repetitive.

I raised a wry smile at Boris Johnson’s description of Farage - the Pied Piper of Clacton.