Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

This is not the way to deal with it. It will be on the increase for all the richer countries because of the way in which the poorer countries are affected by climate change - they cannot feed themselves.

I agree that mass migration to Europe is not the way to deal with what is happening in some African countries with drought, the inability to grow food and consequent famine.

However, the food issue is far more complex than that.
Most countries import food and Africa has some of the most fertile lands on Earth.
The problem is that civil wars, terrorist groups, poor land management and the problems with the logistics of getting food to those in need because of the wars and terrorism is causing people to flee. As well as the threats of these wars and of terrorism.
There is also a problem in some countries with lack of birth control, women having to bear more children than they can possibly feed.

It is hugely complex and there is no simple fix.

We don’t need to fill the gap with unknown people who may or may have skills we need

I presume you mean may or may not.

It is like getting a job lot of something[cant think of a better way of putting it for now], and hoping 50 out of 500 are what we are looking for.

The old immigration system, prior to 1995 or 2010, or whenever it was, worked perfectly well, previously.

We don’t need to fill the gap with unknown people who may or may have skills we need. Those who don’t simply add to the problem. They take rather than give, and we have enough takers already.

PS and they won't need educating nor will they be a strain on the health system, because they are healthy. It is the elderly and old that are one of the causes of the strain.

Furthermore. many doctors, nurses and care workers have gone back to their original countries following Brexit.

Funnily enough I had an examination by a Rumanian doctor earlier this week. His English was very good.

Aveline

Dinahmo illegal immigration in such large numbers underpins the pressure in the economy, NHS, housing etc. Fewer people less pressure.

Considering that the UK birthrate has been dropping since 2010 then the migrants are just filing the gap

Germanshepherdsmum

You don’t live here, do you? They’re leaving your country to come here.

As you know full well I live in France since i've mentioned it often enough on here.

France had 142,500 requests for asylum in 2023. Not all accepted. There are tougher new laws brought in because of protests from the extreme right.

Germany had just under 352,000 asylum applications in 2023.

Italy too has large numbers of immigrants . Over 150,000 in 2023. They too are getting tougher because of pressure from the extreme right.

I suppose you think that all immigrants should be forced to stay in Italy which is the first stop for those arriving from N Africa.

This is not the way to deal with it. It will be on the increase for all the richer countries because of the way in which the poorer countries are affected by climate change - they cannot feed themselves.

We all know, should know, that immigration will increase and it will need a global effort to deal with it. The EU have been consulting its members on ways to deal with the problem for a number of years.

Farage was an MEP for 18 years. He has one of the worst records for attendance, ranking 748th out of 751. Had he attended more frequently, he could have possibly put his supposed intelligence to good use when the EU discussed migrants.

Dinahmo illegal immigration in such large numbers underpins the pressure in the economy, NHS, housing etc. Fewer people less pressure.

Casdon

*Dinamho*, this thread is the current safe space of disaffected Tory voters who haven’t yet faced up to the horror of the position they find themselves in. Migrants are deeemd to be fair game for having a go at Labour when you don’t currently have my other tools in your chest. It’s best just to let them get on with it in peace.

I agree. The rest can go back to their safe space, the anti Farage thread, where they can continue their hate campaign in peace.

Dinamho, this thread is the current safe space of disaffected Tory voters who haven’t yet faced up to the horror of the position they find themselves in. Migrants are deeemd to be fair game for having a go at Labour when you don’t currently have my other tools in your chest. It’s best just to let them get on with it in peace.

Primrose53 Farage didn't help the post office workers caught up in the scandal. he merely spoke after the ITV drama doc was shown. Just jumping on the bandwagon as usual.

Germanshepherdsmum

Oh dear MayBee, you really have swallowed the party line haven’t you? I fear you are in for a very big disappointment. Blind faith I think.

No, Maybee isn't going to be disappointed but you may well be in for a shock.

You don’t live here, do you? They’re leaving your country to come here.

Siope

I imagine one of Farage’s first actions will be opening discussions about crossing the floor to join the Tories.

In which case he'll be an ordinary back bencher, not even the leader of a party with only 4 MPs

The majority of polls taken during the campaign showed immigration someway down the list - after (not in any particular order) the NHS, the economy, housing and schools. So why are you all so bothered about people arriving in boats?

Impossible MOnica. As merlotgran says, interfering in other countries’ affairs never ends well - and we have no right to do so.

M0nica

The answer to illegal immigration is to put a stop to the conditions in their own countries that leads them to flee them.

Who would choose to put their lives in the hands of people smugglers. Everyone of them an evil criminal with no care or concern for the freight they are moving around, putting them to see in flimsy boats without life jackets unless they pay extra for them.

Think about it. How bad would things have to be for you to consider such a move or let your son and family do it.

We are trying to solve the illegal immigration problem from the wrong end.

How do you suggest we should do that, M0nica?

Interfering in the government or warring factions of other countries never ends well and piling money into aid often ends up in the wrong hands.

Nicenanny3

12:48MaizieD
Farage will certainly make his mouth go at every opportunity outside parliament but you know the old saying: 'Empty buckets make the most noise'. 😁

That's a bit rich coming from you 🤣

Rude, very rude.

Daddima

I do wonder just how ‘huge’ an issue uncontrolled immigration is. Of course, there are the many tales of ‘illegals’ living in 5 star luxury, getting hundreds of pounds in benefits, free cars etc, and many people quote these things, when what they really mean is they don’t want foreigners in ‘their’ country. I suspect that is where the ‘huge’ number comes in. So many people get their information from social media, then quote things to justify their xenophobia.

I'm sorry but that is just wrong. Uncontrolled immigration is definitely a huge issue because it never ends. As I just said, 50,000 have arrived on boats in the last 20 months. Net migration in 2023 was 685,000 and the population has increased by 6 million since the Conservatives came in. None of that information is from social media.

That's 6 million more needing houses, medical care, education, food, water, sewage. How is the country's infrastructure supposed to cope with such an increase? We are already overcrowded which is why all our villages and towns are being built on. When will it end?

Those currently able to apply for a visa seem to provide for our needs. Why do we need any more?

Chestnut

Just to add, we've had 50,000 boat arrivals since Rishi Sunak became PM. How will Labour effectively deal with this issue? A lady aid worker on TV presented this map showing all the countries they are coming from. How can we take all these people zakouma66?

Immigration is an absolutely massive and complex subject.
Polarising I suppose.
I don't support uncontrolled immigration.

So let's think about " control"
Does the HO actually work properly?
Is it filtering people safely and effectively in a humane manner?
Are people seeking asylum given a fairly speedy route to a position where they can contribute to the economy by working?

God knows where she will find accommodation - maybe take over Morston Hall or Blakeney Hotels for starters? And that posh place at Langham should be acceptable?

One thing NF is not and that’s stupid.

The answer to illegal immigration is to put a stop to the conditions in their own countries that leads them to flee them.

Who would choose to put their lives in the hands of people smugglers. Everyone of them an evil criminal with no care or concern for the freight they are moving around, putting them to see in flimsy boats without life jackets unless they pay extra for them.

Think about it. How bad would things have to be for you to consider such a move or let your son and family do it.

We are trying to solve the illegal immigration problem from the wrong end.

Germanshepherdsmum

The numbers are huge Daddima. Where are they going to live if granted asylum and what jobs will they do? They are not all skilled people needed in our workforce. Some have children for whom school places have to be found. Interpreters have to be found. We don’t even have a clue who some of them are because they have no papers.

It’s not xenophobia, this is a real crisis which our country faces with no sign of getting anything other than much worse. I have no objection to controlled immigration and our country needs it - but the thousands arriving on boats are something else.

GSM - and if Angela Rayner gets her way we will have to take our share of them in N.Norfolk as she wants them “spread around evenly.”

Nicenanny3

Amir, 23, a bean seller from Kurdistan, said migrants had given Sir Keir a nickname that roughly translates as a man who works for refugees or workers.

He said: “We are calling him [Starmer] ‘Party Krekaran’ because we have heard that this guy is really helpful to the refugees.”

Amir added that he would make the crossing “as soon as possible” now Sir Keir Starmer is in power.

He said: “It’s really good for us. We were really nervous in our countries to travel all the way here and get sent back.

“We no longer live in fear of sending us to Rwanda. I’ve seen a couple of documentaries and Rwanda is not the best place.” (The Telegraph today)

Do you have a link to the bean seller at all please?