Anyone else feel a sense of impending doom that we’ll have a Labour government tomorrow?

I voted Reform but I knew they wouldn’t get in. However? I was hoping they’d get a few more seats in order to press the government on issues that millions of people have concerns about.

To constantly label these people as racists and rabid right wingers is lazy and far too simplistic.

I hope KS and the new government will listen and take on board these concerns as change is long overdue.

12:48MaizieD
Farage will certainly make his mouth go at every opportunity outside parliament but you know the old saying: 'Empty buckets make the most noise'. 😁

That's a bit rich coming from you 🤣

Wyllow3

Did Sunak or Farage have a credible plan?

Farage "turn back the boats at sea to France" isn't possible. Since the Rwanda bill, the movement stopped processing people altogether, no wonder people keep coming: and Rwanda could not take the numbers we've been seeing never mind the huge cost to the tax payer of the whole shenanigans.

Whether they had a plan or not Labour is in charge now, so what's going to happen when the boats start coming again which they will in increasing numbers, we were thought of as a soft touch before now we will be a soft touch with bells on.

Germanshepherdsmum

Farage will be sure to harangue Starmer about immigration at every opportunity, so for that reason I’m glad he’s got a seat. He will have the latest figures at his fingertips every time and will ram them home. Starmer has no credible plan to deal with the boats but the numbers voting for Reform show what a serious issue this is for the public.

Farage won't have many opportunities to 'harangue' Starmer. H e could only do it at PMQs and the opportunity for doing so is very limited for minority parties and backbenchers.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/prime-ministers-questions-pmqs

The most he could get to do in the Chamber in relation to immigration is to harangue the Home Secretary when she is taking questions, but once again, opportunities are limited.

She will have the latest numbers at her fingertips, too. So will Starmer if Farage gets onto the Order Paper for PMQs.

Farage will certainly make his mouth go at every opportunity outside parliament but you know the old saying: 'Empty buckets make the most noise'. 😁

11:23Primrose53

I agree Primrose many a true word spoken in jest.

Where are Labour going to house them, in hotels like the Conservatives did or stamp them through and off they go to where? Give them tents like they do in Ireland.

GG13 I think Labour and the LibDems clearly understood that with the current system, they needed to forensically concentrate on distribution, rather than numbers, of votes. They both developed strategies for this, and carried them out relentlessly and successfully.

I would assume, given decent campaign managers, they would be equally adept at creating and implementing strategies for a PR system.

The problem with PR isn't the end game but the process.

At least a year of examining different sorts, completely changing the system whilst desperately pressing matters get ignored.

Yes, I am glad for the reason I stated. I thought I had made that clear.

Germanshepherdsmum

Farage will be sure to harangue Starmer about immigration at every opportunity, so for that reason I’m glad he’s got a seat. He will have the latest figures at his fingertips every time and will ram them home. Starmer has no credible plan to deal with the boats but the numbers voting for Reform show what a serious issue this is for the public.

You’re glad that that disgusting man has now got a seat in parliament but despair that someone like Angela Rayner has one ?

Did Sunak or Farage have a credible plan?

Farage "turn back the boats at sea to France" isn't possible. Since the Rwanda bill, the movement stopped processing people altogether, no wonder people keep coming: and Rwanda could not take the numbers we've been seeing never mind the huge cost to the tax payer of the whole shenanigans.

Reform got 4,072,947 votes which has given them 4 MP’s

Lib Dem’s got 3,487,568 votes which has given them 71 MP’s

I guess the Lib Dem’s will not be calling for PR anytime soon?

Well, my new Labour MP has already arranged a public meeting with her constituents to discuss what can be done to help people with special needs. Because those are the things that need sorting: not this constant focus on how many people are arriving in boats every day. And this is the day that that particular type of scapegoating ends. Until Farage starts spouting his bile in parliament. I’m far more worried about that than what Labour will or won’t do.

Farage will be sure to harangue Starmer about immigration at every opportunity, so for that reason I’m glad he’s got a seat. He will have the latest figures at his fingertips every time and will ram them home. Starmer has no credible plan to deal with the boats but the numbers voting for Reform show what a serious issue this is for the public.

True. But for how long

Both parties committed until 2028. Whether they mean calendar or financial year, I am not sure.

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Just to add, we've had 50,000 boat arrivals since Rishi Sunak became PM. How will Labour effectively deal with this issue? A lady aid worker on TV presented this map showing all the countries they are coming from. How can we take all these people zakouma66?

zakouma66

Yes, they are busy with the crayons now making the signs.

Be afraid. The immigrants are coming and you won't be able to heat your homes.

That'll be about it.

It's no joke. Let's see how the numbers of boat people go in the next few weeks/months. Try and remember this is like a dripping tap, it keeps dripping until someone stops it. People will keep coming week after week after week ad infinitum. We have 12,655 in the last 6 months. So how many will that be in 10 years time unless it is stopped?

Wyllow3

Juniewoonie both parties /were are committed to the triple pension lock

True. But for how long?

Primrose53

Juniewoonie

I’m not a political animal in anyway with absolutely no political affiliation. But I must admit I’m a bit scared this morning, worried about taxation and loosing the triple lock. I already struggle in the winter with choices between eating or heating and the thought that I might loose some income terrifies me.

You also need to keep a watch on the Channel Junie because illegal immigrants will be flooding in after today’s result because that is exactly what Labour want! They will be holding up signs saying ALL WELCOME.

How can people be non political? The personal is political. I hope you dont need to worry about losing income. We’ve all been losing income every time we get a basket shop. It cost £25 not many months ago, now £50

Primrose - your posts on immigration get sillier imo

The Uk has a very poor record on State pension - flagging behind I seem to remember. So a triple lock is welcome but it won’t be enough given the current cost of living crisis plus care fees. Over to Labour to fix.

Juniewoonie both parties /were are committed to the triple pension lock

Sparklefizz

^But we seemed to be in a political rut and needed different people with different ideas in charge.^

That's ok if you like the new ideas - votes for 16 year olds, etc etc

Well.given the enthusism (or lack of it) of 18-21s for voting. Including many university students. I shouldn't worry about 16-18 year olds voting, they will be too busy on social media to bother to vote.

Yes, they are busy with the crayons now making the signs.

Be afraid. The immigrants are coming and you won't be able to heat your homes.

That'll be about it.

Juniewoonie

I’m not a political animal in anyway with absolutely no political affiliation. But I must admit I’m a bit scared this morning, worried about taxation and loosing the triple lock. I already struggle in the winter with choices between eating or heating and the thought that I might loose some income terrifies me.

You also need to keep a watch on the Channel Junie because illegal immigrants will be flooding in after today’s result because that is exactly what Labour want! They will be holding up signs saying ALL WELCOME.

I’m not a political animal in anyway with absolutely no political affiliation. But I must admit I’m a bit scared this morning, worried about taxation and loosing the triple lock. I already struggle in the winter with choices between eating or heating and the thought that I might loose some income terrifies me.

maddyone

Sparklefizz the idea of 16 years olds voting horrifies me. They’re still at school or college in the majority of cases. The vast majority don’t work, earn any money or pay taxes, they can’t drive, they can’t go to prison if they commit a crime, they can’t fight in a war, they can’t get married without parental consent. Not that I think they should be allowed to do any of those things, but if they can’t do those adult things, why should they be considered adult enough to vote? Apparently the girls who went to Syria to join ISIS were children, but suddenly they’re not children where voting is concerned.

Double standards!

I totally agree maddyone. I have a 16 year old grandson. 'Nuff said!