Labour win a historic victory

One might belong to my cousin. 🤣🤣🤣
Family wealth has swerved me. Very strange!
Oh well, as Himself says ronib “you can’t expect to be lucky in love AND money”.
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Urmstongran Wilmslow does most spectacular Open Gardens ….

NannyC1

Nanna8
Hope they turn out to be good for the country. I think the Conservatives got their comeuppance even though I don’t really like Labour. The Libdems did well, I think I would probably have gone for them if I voted."
Personally I don't know think you have any right to comment on anything political as you didn't vote.

Nanna8 lives in Australia! (I think?). 🤣

As I have commented several time the Reform voter, is generally older, less well educated, poorer and iller and more likely to be unemployed, and quite literally lives on the far marginalised eastern edges of the country. If you have driven round that area, which I have recently, I did not realise just how derelict some areas of Britain were -even the farmers look poor. In other words Reform voters are a dying breed

I don’t fit your profile MOnica neither do many of my friends in affluent Bolton and family in leafy Wilmslow! Maybe we are all just the exceptions that prove the rule … 🤔

My feelings entirely.
The rot started in the Blair - Brown period. The Tories spent years saying the problems they " inherited" in 2010 were the result of Labour "not fixing the roof while the sun was shining". Labour will soon be continuing this mantra

Nanna8
Hope they turn out to be good for the country. I think the Conservatives got their comeuppance even though I don’t really like Labour. The Libdems did well, I think I would probably have gone for them if I voted."
Personally I don't know think you have any right to comment on anything political as you didn't vote.

growstuff

I haven't checked them all, but it seems that Reform did much better in the North East than they did on Merseyside, which also has a depressed economy. I wonder why

There is no distribution of The Sun newspaper?

Sadly I think it will take years to put right the mistakes of both Labour and Tory regimes - the demise has been building up for a very long time. The only difference is that we can at least hope that Labour politicians are less likely to be corrupt, self-interested bigheads than their Tory counterparts over the past 14 years.

PilgrimQuill

Nigel says it like it is - the rest say what we want to hear. Remember Maggie's little dance when she said austerity was over? Remember the joy when New Labour got in with a landslide victory in 97? How much better it was going to be with a Con/Lib Dem coalition to replace them in 2010 after a global recession? Now Covid and Brexit and death of the High Street later, we think Keir holds a magic wand? Nigel will continue to say it like it is and we will continue to think him a buffoon. Time will tell.

Nigel is saying how it is, or rather how a declining propoportion of the population think he is.

As I have commented several time the Reform voter, is generally older, less well educated, poorer and iller and more likely to be unemployed, and quite literally lives on the far marginalised eastern edges of the country. If you have driven round that area, which I have recently, I did not realise just how derelict some areas of Britain were -even the farmers look poor. In other words Reform voters are a dying breed.

The tnteresting vote is the way the Lib Dems have wone a whole swathe of constituencies in the south and south Midlands. These areas are the exact opposite of Reform, much younger demographic, highly educated, working in the sunrise technology and technological research, they are quite literally the future of the country and the number of Reform votes here is negligible and Reform policies hold no attractions for this cosmopolitan electorate.

The Joni Mitchell song keeps coming to mind when I think of Angela Rayner’s portfolio - “they paved paradise and put up a a million and a half new houses”. Even though they are going to change planning regs to push these through I think it will still be difficult to achieve. We will have a lack of skilled tradesmen (especially from Eastern Europe) and the price of building materials has soared since Covid. I know we need new homes (plus infrastructure) but our green and pleasant land is at risk of disappearing. As an aside we remained “blue” here but only by 500 votes.

Kemi Badenoch's majority of 27,594 was reduced to 2,610 with Labour second. I've just checked and the last time Labour polled a higher number was in 1966.

Grantanow

Pantglas2

Interesting comments but in 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 the lurch wasn’t to the left (as I, certainly, expected) as the Labour vote was down by a small percentage.

Everyone understood the Tories would be punished, and they were, but that Reform would do so well has flummoxed me - it seems counter intuitive when the Labour heartlands lose large amounts of their core to them.

Any ideas, anyone?

I think northern seats haven't forgotten their neglect by Labour which took them for granted and a depressed economy in the north, poverty, lack of education and worries about better-qualified immigrants in the job market makes many voters there vulnerable to Reform messages.

I think a lot of voting was very localised, in Wales anyway. The Labour vote was up 3.8% where I live, largely down to a good local candidate I think, although he has no chance of winning, Labour haven’t won here since the 1940s. The Lib Dem who won had a very small increase compared with last time, 0.5% - but the Tory vote completely collapsed, so the Tory MP has gone.
My feeling is that millions are just disillusioned with politics altogether - the SNP vote collapsed too, which is another indicator. For most who voted Reform, it’s more of a protest vote against the established order than it is a positive vote for what Reform stand for.

Grantanow

Pantglas2

Interesting comments but in 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 the lurch wasn’t to the left (as I, certainly, expected) as the Labour vote was down by a small percentage.

Everyone understood the Tories would be punished, and they were, but that Reform would do so well has flummoxed me - it seems counter intuitive when the Labour heartlands lose large amounts of their core to them.

Any ideas, anyone?

I think northern seats haven't forgotten their neglect by Labour which took them for granted and a depressed economy in the north, poverty, lack of education and worries about better-qualified immigrants in the job market makes many voters there vulnerable to Reform messages.

I haven't checked them all, but it seems that Reform did much better in the North East than they did on Merseyside, which also has a depressed economy. I wonder why.

MayBee70

Zoe65

Can’t wait to see all you Labour idiots review the situation in a years time .you won’t be so happy then when your green belt is covered in houses,your state pensions means tested (as stated today ) and your council tax rise through the roof plus you can’t drive anywhere without massive taxes on movement or fuel .and that’s just the start …….more people voted against Labour than for them ,lowest winning vote share ever .

I’m going to copy this post and repost it in a years time and see which one of us is the idiot ( albeit being angry with myself for stooping to your level).

If you save the thread under 'Watch this thread' you should be able to find it easily, Maybee.

Whatever happens, we needed change.

Wyllow3

I sincerely hope so too, but genuinly don't understand the relevance of which sort of school they went to, re this.

Well, it rather follows on from the previous posts, does it not?

Nigel says it like it is - the rest say what we want to hear. Remember Maggie's little dance when she said austerity was over? Remember the joy when New Labour got in with a landslide victory in 97? How much better it was going to be with a Con/Lib Dem coalition to replace them in 2010 after a global recession? Now Covid and Brexit and death of the High Street later, we think Keir holds a magic wand? Nigel will continue to say it like it is and we will continue to think him a buffoon. Time will tell.

Bottom line is Reform is all about immigration and that attracts people from every socio-economic group.

Pantglas2

Interesting comments but in 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 the lurch wasn’t to the left (as I, certainly, expected) as the Labour vote was down by a small percentage.

Everyone understood the Tories would be punished, and they were, but that Reform would do so well has flummoxed me - it seems counter intuitive when the Labour heartlands lose large amounts of their core to them.

Any ideas, anyone?

I think northern seats haven't forgotten their neglect by Labour which took them for granted and a depressed economy in the north, poverty, lack of education and worries about better-qualified immigrants in the job market makes many voters there vulnerable to Reform messages.

Fanflippingtastic!

Interesting comments but in 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 the lurch wasn’t to the left (as I, certainly, expected) as the Labour vote was down by a small percentage.

Everyone understood the Tories would be punished, and they were, but that Reform would do so well has flummoxed me - it seems counter intuitive when the Labour heartlands lose large amounts of their core to them.

Any ideas, anyone?

The final result has now been declared after two recounts.

Angus MacDonald of the Liberal Democrats has won Inverness, Skye and West Ross-shire , taking the seat from the SNP.

The Liberal Democrats now have 72 MPs - the highest number of Liberals since 1923!

I think the percentage vote against seats gained just shows what a good campaign plan Labour had and how well they implemented it. They clearly targeted and put campaign resources into the seats they had a chance of winning and it paid off. If you don't win you can't implement anything.

Here in Scotland we are delighted that the SNP have lost most of their seats!
Interesting times ahead.

Zoe65 Do not be silly, you are saying exactly what people like you said when harold Wilson won, when James Callaghan won, when Tony Blair won.

In the end all we got was a lurch to the left and then life went on as normal I cannot understand all these Armegeddon and doomsters who have all lived through 60 or more years of changing governments without anything totally drastically going wrong and still think any one left of Reform are raving commies ready to ruin the country.

Yes, it is a historic victory but Labour won because Farage's party Reform split the Tory vote in many seats coming second in a lot of northern ones and because the voters kicked the Tories out in the south by tactically voting Lib Dem. It's not a case of the public turning Left in most cases. One in seven voted Reform. Labour has the lowest share of the vote of any winning party since 1945. Farage is an astute politician and says he is coming for Labour next.

Labour must deliver and especially for those following Farage as pied piper. That does not mean adopting Farage's views but dealing with the underlying issues of poverty, poor education and inability to compete for better jobs.

The Tory legacy is appalling but Labour has to deal with it in all our interests.