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Whitewavemark2 Sat 06-Jul-24 05:46:30

For those feeling nervous over the governments competence and who believe the propaganda put out by the right wing media, I thought I would start recording the day by day development of the governments activity.

Day 1
The PM appointed the cabinet, and was briefed by the permanent secretary.

The PM gave advice over urgent domestic issues needing immediate attention, as well as urgent security matters.

The Prime Minister signed off letters to the heads of the military, giving instructions over action in case of nuclear threat.

The Prime Minister will begin preparations for his NATO visit to Washington next week.

Sir Keir Starmer will have decided domestic issues over his living arrangements etc.

The Home Secretary -Yvette Cooper - killed the Rwanda plan. However it was disclosed by the Home Office that there was in fact no such plan in operation - no work had been carried out on any plan for months. So my goodness - was that one of the last lies told to the public by the previous government?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 30-Jul-24 08:18:24

GrannyGravy13

Taking money out of pensioners pockets along with stopping planned infrastructure projects is not and will not grow the economy or stimulate growth

It sends a negative message to any would be investors.

The projects Reeves has stopped is because there is no money to pay for it.

Reeves is working within the Tory Fiscal rules.

Now if you agree that these rules are rubbish and the focus on debt which Osborne introduced in 2010 are wrong, then I would agree with you. But having voted for the Tories since 2010, I assume that you are with the fiscal rules which are in place and to which Reeves is adhering.

But if like me you think these rules are wrong why on earth did you give them your support?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 30-Jul-24 08:13:37

I think the 22% pay rise for the doctors and it’s imminent acceptance by them a welcome move.

I think an across the board 5.5% pay rise for public service workers is not before time , given that their pay has been held down since 2010 for ideological reasons and nothing else.

This recognises the valuable service this country gets and needs from its public services, and will continue to look to as it struggles out if the mire we find ourselves in.

I am not so happy at the constraints that Reeves has so far placed on herself by working to Hunts so called fiscal rules, which he appeared anyway to have constantly flouted.

I also think that the removal of a universal benefit in the form of winter fuel allowance smacks uncomfortably of austerity. But, on the other hand I have felt for a long time that this was money ill spent with millions of us not needing it. The issue is those just above the pension credit threshold who in truth will be the most to suffer. I note Reeves has tried to address that by ensuring everyone who qualifies for pension credit claims it, so I hope that will be true in our community on GN.

What I also think true, is that with the triple lock which remains, inflation has had less effect on pensioners than many millions of young families, who are suffering real hardship. And frankly the billion or so recouped from the winter fuel allowance is better spent on welfare, or such like.

So those are my initial thoughts. But in truth I think that the biggest thing Reeves could do that will make a real change and break from the past are to trash the fiscal rules, which focus so much on the debt and instead focus on investment for growth.

That indeed would show an iron chancellor.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 30-Jul-24 08:05:11

Taking money out of pensioners pockets along with stopping planned infrastructure projects is not and will not grow the economy or stimulate growth

It sends a negative message to any would be investors.

Freya5 Tue 30-Jul-24 07:36:30

Siope

Elegran

Looks as though they are now starting on the unpopular things - did you think the country's problems could be sorted without causing any pain anywhere at all?

The cut to the fuel payment in England and Eales isn’t proving that unpopular in the wider population, from what I can see on various social media and discussion forums.

Well bully for them. They are probably the young working, wealthy middle class, wealthier pensioners. They won't be the pensioners who are just below the cut off point. I'll be interested to know if Reeves has also stopped the payments to those British who have chosen to live overseas but can still get this benefit. If not, why not???

keepingquiet Tue 30-Jul-24 07:34:44

I saw real anger from Reeves yesterday, due to the unfunded commitments to so many projects which were not going to finish.
Did people just expect to foot the bill and risk another crash?

Reeves is showing her metal as a chancellor determined to make the best choices in a very difficult situation. In order to attract investment she has to be shown to be a strong and sensible manager of the nation's finances and not be willing to take too many risks.

I applaud what she has done, even though I am not a more well off pensioner, infact I am struggling but it isn't just about my pension, it is also about all the other services I use and will be using in years to come. I want investment in those, and in my children and grandchildren.

David49 Tue 30-Jul-24 07:25:06

An iron chancellor indeed, there are a lot of pensioners that are marginally affected, being just above the threshold set. That is unjust, I would hope that is redressed by an increase in pensions in the October budget.

Reeves approach to finances gets my approval there was far too much being wasted on vanity projects and salving pressure groups. There was nothing left to help improve growth in the economy.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 30-Jul-24 02:13:46

Casdon

Siope

Elegran

Looks as though they are now starting on the unpopular things - did you think the country's problems could be sorted without causing any pain anywhere at all?

The cut to the fuel payment in England and Eales isn’t proving that unpopular in the wider population, from what I can see on various social media and discussion forums.

I think it’s because the wider population understands that a universal hardship payment for pensioners, which is what the WFA amounts to, is wrong. I don’t need the WFA, millions of other pensioners don’t need it either. Some people will definitely feel the effects if they are just over the threshold, but that doesn’t mean that removing it is wrong rather, that the threshold is wrong. I hope the 850,000 people who are eligible for pension credit do claim it now, that will help.

Yes I agree.

What I also think is that Reeves should ditch Hunts fiscal rules. The problem is that in the run up to the election, labour were keen to show fiscal responsibility, but I think that Reeves has boxed herself in by choosing to be hidebound by Hunt.

She needs a complete reform - particularly if she allows what was in effect a failed economic policy to govern her choices.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 30-Jul-24 02:09:28

What are Rachel Reeves’ spending cuts and how do the sums add up?

The official Treasury table for the shortfall is slightly complex and is made up of two main sections: £35.3bn of what is called “total departmental gross pressure” – ie the presumed overspend for the 2024-25 financial year – minus £16.3bn of presumed reserves and underspending, with another £2.9bn then added for assumed shortfalls already calculated by the Office for Budget Responsibility. This gets to £21.9bn, rounded up by Reeves to £22bn.

The £35.3bn total excess comes from: agreeing to public sector pay awards (£9.4bn); “overhang” from earlier pay awards (£2.2bn); extra health spending beyond pay (£1.5bn); asylum and migration overspending (£6.4bn); various “new policy commitments” (£2.6bn); extra costs on rail (£2.9bn); unfunded support for Ukraine (£1.7bn); and what is called “normal reserve claims” – unforeseen spending and adjustments – totalling £8.6bn.

Of the less technical elements, the main ones are:

Public sector pay

Reeves announced that ministers would accept the recommendations of pay review bodies for a series of public sector workers, which are largely about 5%, and so above inflation. There has also been agreement to try to end a dispute with junior doctors in England by giving them a 22.3% pay rise over two years. While Reeves argued that there was an economic cost of not meeting pay claims, as Jeremy Hunt pointed out for the Conservatives, this was a choice.

Asylum

Reeves said this overspending was in part the extra costs of the Tories’ Rwanda deportation scheme, and the money spent accommodating asylum seekers whose cases were not being processed as they remained in limbo pending the presumed start of flights to Rwanda. Much of this does appear to be a genuine surprise.

Rail

The £2.9bn unaccounted extra cost came about, Reeves told MPs, because Conservative ministers “handed out cash to rail companies” to make up for lower passenger numbers and thus lower revenues due to Covid, and did not properly budget for this.

What are the spending cuts?

These are an interim solution. The same Treasury document that set out the apparent overspending said the savings thus far identified would be £5.5bn for the 2024-25 financial year, rising to £8.1bn in 2025-26.

In the 30 October budget, there will be as yet unknown decisions on tax and on spending, including on areas such as social security. There will also be reviews of a series of road projects and the Conservatives’ promised 40 new hospitals, with cuts to these being announced later.

Of the savings announced so far, this is what the Treasury has confirmed:

Departmental cuts

Totalling £3.1bn in both financial years, this will include a 2% cut to administration budgets, plus cuts to spending on consultants and communications.

Winter fuel payments

Saving £1.4bn this year and £1.5bn next year, this will mean the payment for pensioners will no longer be universal and will only be paid to people in receipt of pension credit or other means-tested benefits. The payments already vary in amount depending on age and income. Now those eligible will get £200, rising to £300 if one household member is aged over 80.

Asylum and Rwanda

As explained above – in scrapping the deportation scheme and beginning again to process asylum claims, the hope is to save £800m this year and £1.4bn next year.

Scrap plans for social care cap

Under the plan, originally due to begin in autumn 2023 but then delayed by two years, people in England would never have to spend more than £86,000 on their personal care over their lifetime. This will now not happen, saving just £30m this year but £1.1bn the next year.

Road scheme cancellations

Two road schemes have definitely been scrapped – a planned two-mile tunnel for the A303 under Stonehenge, and work on the A27, including a Chichester bypass. This, as well as not reopening old rail lines under the Restoring Your Railway programme, will save nothing this year but nearly £800m next.

Qualifications and investment

There are also two smaller savings: a £185m saving next year by not going ahead with Rishi Sunak’s plan for the Advanced British Standard, a replacement for A-levels; and £120m over the two years by cancelling the freeports-focused Investment Opportunity Fund.

What is the longer-term plan?

Growing the economy

Reeves will argue that the number one priority will be growing the economy to help finance public spending. Earlier this month the chancellor published Treasury analysis suggesting that £58bn in additional tax revenue could have been brought in last year if the UK economy had grown at the average rate of other OECD nations over the past 13 years.
Growth has been stronger than anticipated so far this year, which could help to open up some additional headroom for spending. However, securing consistently stronger rates of growth will be challenging. Some economists warn cutting back on growth-enhancing infrastructure projects will make it even tougher.

Tax rises?

Labour hemmed itself in ahead of the general election by promising not to raise income tax, national insurance or VAT, which make up the bulk of revenue for the Treasury. Corporation tax is also off limits.
However, the party quietly explored options around raising taxes on wealth, including on capital gains, inheritances and pensions. Reeves could argue this falls outside her manifesto promise not to hit “working people” with higher tax bills.
The Resolution Foundation thinktank estimated on Sunday that reforms to capital gains and inheritance taxes could collectively raise almost £10bn. The former Bank of England economist Michael Saunders has estimated up to £25bn could be raised from more extensive reforms.
In her statement to the Commons, Reeves heralded potential tax rises in the October budget, saying this would involve “difficult decisions to meet our fiscal rules across spending, welfare and tax”.

Borrowing?

The chancellor has clung tightly to the same fiscal rules set by her Conservative predecessor, Jeremy Hunt, which require the national debt to be falling as a share of GDP in the fifth year of forecasts.
However, she could move the goalposts. A small technical change floated by City economists includes a change to the way losses to the Treasury on the Bank of England’s quantitative easing programme are accounted for, which could open up about £20bn of headroom.
Reeves has, though, sought to maintain an image as an “iron chancellor” who will balance the books, drawing a contrast with Liz Truss after the September 2022 mini-budget triggered a meltdown in financial markets.
But growing numbers of top economists – including the former Bank of England chief economist Andy Haldane – have argued for more fundamental reform. Reeves could say there is a need to redraw the rules to increase borrowing to finance the repair of the public realm, which could pave the way for stronger economic growth in future.

Guardian 30/07

Casdon Mon 29-Jul-24 20:25:10

Siope

Elegran

Looks as though they are now starting on the unpopular things - did you think the country's problems could be sorted without causing any pain anywhere at all?

The cut to the fuel payment in England and Eales isn’t proving that unpopular in the wider population, from what I can see on various social media and discussion forums.

I think it’s because the wider population understands that a universal hardship payment for pensioners, which is what the WFA amounts to, is wrong. I don’t need the WFA, millions of other pensioners don’t need it either. Some people will definitely feel the effects if they are just over the threshold, but that doesn’t mean that removing it is wrong rather, that the threshold is wrong. I hope the 850,000 people who are eligible for pension credit do claim it now, that will help.

winterwhite Mon 29-Jul-24 19:43:56

And actually a step backwards for social care. Bad and sad.

ronib Mon 29-Jul-24 19:37:05

£300 cost of living payment to pensioners also removed.

Siope Mon 29-Jul-24 19:28:18

Eales = Wales.

Siope Mon 29-Jul-24 19:27:44

Elegran

Looks as though they are now starting on the unpopular things - did you think the country's problems could be sorted without causing any pain anywhere at all?

The cut to the fuel payment in England and Eales isn’t proving that unpopular in the wider population, from what I can see on various social media and discussion forums.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 29-Jul-24 19:26:19

Whatever excuses RR/Labour use for the taking away the WFA from pensioners not in receipt of extra benefits it is not as one GN members often says good optics

Aveline Mon 29-Jul-24 18:42:27

Yes. There was always going to be pain associated with getting the economy back on track. I'm Just going to 'suck it up' in the hope of it all being for the greater good.
Those public service pay rises will be a steadying influence.

Elegran Mon 29-Jul-24 18:35:38

Looks as though they are now starting on the unpopular things - did you think the country's problems could be sorted without causing any pain anywhere at all?

MayBee70 Mon 29-Jul-24 18:34:34

‘. Only 10 out of the 40 new hospitals have received full planning permission and several projects have no planning permission at all. The Government has not even allocated enough funding to ensure all the hospitals in the New Hospitals Programme will be built.’

Casdon Mon 29-Jul-24 18:16:34

GrannyGravy13

Labour have also cancelled hospital new builds and road infrastructure projects.

These would have provided employment for 1,000’s amd are much needed, along with taxes back to the government coffers.

Am I missing something or did Labour lie with their election mantra oft repeated grow the economy ?

That is not an accurate account of what has been announced. This is what is actually going to be cancelled and reviewed (from BBC):

‘The controversial plan to build a road tunnel on the A303 under Stonehenge
A27 Arundel bypass - a road upgrade in West Sussex
Restore your Railways program (individual cases can be reviewed) - a project to restore closed rail lines
The New Hospital Project to be reviewed - this was Boris Johnson's plan to build 40 hospitals by 2030, which was slow to progress’ (NB they have not been cancelled)

How many of these schemes had actually started work on the ground I don’t know, but that is an important factor.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 29-Jul-24 18:01:30

Labour have also cancelled hospital new builds and road infrastructure projects.

These would have provided employment for 1,000’s amd are much needed, along with taxes back to the government coffers.

Am I missing something or did Labour lie with their election mantra oft repeated grow the economy ?

GrannyGravy13 Mon 29-Jul-24 17:02:08

Day 24 of the first 100 days

Labour screw pensioners who are just over the limit for any benefits, they will be 1,000’s of cold and hungry elderly this winter.

Labour 👏👏👏 not

David49 Mon 29-Jul-24 15:54:29

ronib

David49 I hope you are not blaming your company’s IT failure on the last Conservative government?

No, thats one thing I cannot blame on the Tories

ronib Mon 29-Jul-24 13:55:16

David49 I hope you are not blaming your company’s IT failure on the last Conservative government?

David49 Mon 29-Jul-24 10:02:50

Not just the internet, a company I am close to had a power cut in their central computer server that brought the whole company to a standstill nationally. They should have a backup but they hadn’t.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 29-Jul-24 09:52:26

That is exactly what I thought I might do, because yes it is getting enormous! And difficult to have a clear picture.

I’ll give it a go.

So will stop at recess, unless there is stuff that needs reporting and start again in September.

Give me a break as well😊

winterwhite Mon 29-Jul-24 09:44:48

By-passing cyber security for a moment, WWM3, this thread has been a huge success, but it’s getting long and rambling.
Would you be prepared to consider / do you have the leisure to break off when the recess begins with a summary of what’s been achieved and what not, and then start again with the next 70 or so days?

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