Yvette Cooper / Migrant Watch / Stopping The Boats

www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

Figures are available on the government website.

I've just tried on my mobile phone and it works okay so that's weird. On my computer it is literally blocked out. I don't have any protective filters and it's never happened before with any other website.

Same here.

Your Migration Watch link worked absolutely fine for me, Chestnut.

I just had to refuse to subscribe to its newsletter before entering the main site.

This is very worrying.

I just checked a website which I remembered from some time ago called Migration Watch. The website has been faded out and none of the tabs can be accessed. Is this censorship? I'd like to find out what is going on here. Can anyone see this website or it it faded for you?
www.migrationwatchuk.org/

Here is the Wikipedia entry:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Watch_UK

Casdon

Chestnut

Of course we have and I agree that we should have a faster and more robust way of granting or refusing asylum to those who come through legal channels.
How fast and robust would it need to be? We've had 1,000 arrive on boats since Labour took over and they would need assessing along with the legal arrivals. Don't forget many throw out their passports and ID.

What you describe is status quo for an average summer week of arrivals Chestnut. The situation hasn’t changed at all since Labour came into power. It will inevitably take time for things to change.

Sorry, I wasn't implying that was Labour's fault, just illustrating the speed and number of arrivals are unsustainable. We have 1,000 people arriving in 10 days. How can we process and find accommodation for so many people on an ongoing basis? Where are they being housed? Maybe growstuff and others can tell us where this 1,000 can go, plus the next 1,000 and the 1,000 after that.

Chestnut A huge number of immigrants are HE students. They bring at least £18 billion into the economy, which is almost as much as the whole car industry is worth to the UK.

If you want to cut down on immigrants, that's where you start. However, there's always a price to pay. The economy would lose their income, which is currently subsidising UK students and research. It's also a very valuable form of soft diplomacy and keeping some small towns in business. OK, so stop it! But don't be naive enough to think there wouldn't be repercussions because there would.

Mollygo

PS Growstuff, you obviously didn’t read my post @ 12.56

Yes, I did.

Chestnut

growstuff

Errr ... no ... just my normal reading glasses!

Incidentally, as a year by year percentage increase of numbers, the population increased more in the latter part of the nineteenth century.

You're talking about less than a 10% increase in 14 years - and that's mainly because the emigration figures have decreased.

Whew, that's fine then. I was worried for a moment that 5 million people was rather a lot. Obviously it's perfectly fine and we can absorb them with no problem. Incidentally, that is the population of New Zealand.

So we have increased our population by the total population of New Zealand in just 14 years. And you think that's okay and we need more.

Going by percentages is a flawed argument. We have 67 million people living on this very small island already. So the more people the smaller the percentage.

11% of this small island is built on. There's plenty of space.

www.express.co.uk/news/world/1922204/eu-border-migrants-poland-belarus-russia-vladimir-putin

They don't mess around over in Poland.
As Wyllow3 points out, the situation in Poland involves a serious threat from Russia. It is useless to post random examples of the migrant situation in Poland without providing a link to put it into context.

PS Growstuff, you obviously didn’t read my post @ 12.56

growstuff

Errr ... no ... just my normal reading glasses!

Incidentally, as a year by year percentage increase of numbers, the population increased more in the latter part of the nineteenth century.

You're talking about less than a 10% increase in 14 years - and that's mainly because the emigration figures have decreased.

Whew, that's fine then. I was worried for a moment that 5 million people was rather a lot. Obviously it's perfectly fine and we can absorb them with no problem. Incidentally, that is the population of New Zealand.

So we have increased our population by the total population of New Zealand in just 14 years. And you think that's okay and we need more.

Going by percentages is a flawed argument. We have 67 million people living on this very small island already. So the more people the smaller the percentage.

Mollygo

Growstuff I didn’t say you said that.
. I asked if you think
the illegal migrants are doing the right thing and should be allowed to continue pouring into the UK.
That’s an easy yes/no question.
Do you think we can continue to absorb people who bypass legal channels into a country already struggling with housing, schools, food banks, jobs, etc?

This isn't some kind of interrogation. Incidentally, immigrants aren't pouring into the country. I might feel more inclined to answer a question without hyperbole.

PS. You really don't seem to have taken on board the fact that most immigrants (the ones using resources) are in the UK legally and contributing to the balance of payments and general economy.

Chestnut

^Of course we have and I agree that we should have a faster and more robust way of granting or refusing asylum to those who come through legal channels.^
How fast and robust would it need to be? We've had 1,000 arrive on boats since Labour took over and they would need assessing along with the legal arrivals. Don't forget many throw out their passports and ID.

What you describe is status quo for an average summer week of arrivals Chestnut. The situation hasn’t changed at all since Labour came into power. It will inevitably take time for things to change.

Isn't part of the problem the paucity of safe and legal routes?
If there were, it would be easier to sort out and assess.

Growstuff I didn’t say you said that.
. I asked if you think
the illegal migrants are doing the right thing and should be allowed to continue pouring into the UK.
That’s an easy yes/no question.
Do you think we can continue to absorb people who bypass legal channels into a country already struggling with housing, schools, food banks, jobs, etc?

Of course we have and I agree that we should have a faster and more robust way of granting or refusing asylum to those who come through legal channels.
How fast and robust would it need to be? We've had 1,000 arrive on boats since Labour took over and they would need assessing along with the legal arrivals. Don't forget many throw out their passports and ID.

Errr ... no ... just my normal reading glasses!

Incidentally, as a year by year percentage increase of numbers, the population increased more in the latter part of the nineteenth century.

You're talking about less than a 10% increase in 14 years - and that's mainly because the emigration figures have decreased.

growstuff

Chestnut

Meanwhile, 1,000 more migrants have arrived on our shores since Labour came to power.

Whether legal or illegal, I did not ask to have my country overwhelmed with people from all over the world. Immigration needs to be tackled in every way possible because no country can survive the level of change we are experiencing.

Oh yes it can! The UK/British Isles has been a nation of immigrants since the beginning if time.

You are wearing blinkers if you think we can survive the speed and numbers we are experiencing. You think a population increase of 5 million in 14 years is okay? That's 5 million more people requiring homes, hospitals, schools, prisons, clean water. I'm afraid 10 years from now you'll realise how wrong you were. How many more cities do you want us to build? And how can we ever keep up with so many new arrivals as the years go by?

Mollygo

growstuff
Oh yes it can! The UK/British Isles has been a nation of immigrants since the beginning if time

Of course we have and I agree that we should have a faster and more robust way of granting or refusing asylum to those who come through legal channels.

Are you saying that the illegal migrants are doing the right thing and should be allowed to continue pouring into the UK, growstuff?

If yes, do you think squatters who move into people’s houses are equally justified?

I didn't write anything of the sort!

I was refuting the claim "no country can survive the level of change we are experiencing". Just look back in time and it's so obvious that statement just isn't true. The country has survived far greater change.

Germanshepherdsmum

Not in the numbers we are experiencing now. In the past immigrants have had to house and feed themselves. Those arriving on boats in their thousands are housed and fed by the taxpayer.

You're referring to those arriving without a visa. Other posts are about immigrants in general. Maybe it would be helpful if people didn't confuse the two and talk about "immigration" under a single heading. Immigration in general increases the UK's GDP.

growstuff
Oh yes it can! The UK/British Isles has been a nation of immigrants since the beginning if time

Of course we have and I agree that we should have a faster and more robust way of granting or refusing asylum to those who come through legal channels.

Are you saying that the illegal migrants are doing the right thing and should be allowed to continue pouring into the UK, growstuff?

If yes, do you think squatters who move into people’s houses are equally justified?

Not in the numbers we are experiencing now. In the past immigrants have had to house and feed themselves. Those arriving on boats in their thousands are housed and fed by the taxpayer.

Chestnut

Meanwhile, 1,000 more migrants have arrived on our shores since Labour came to power.

Whether legal or illegal, I did not ask to have my country overwhelmed with people from all over the world. Immigration needs to be tackled in every way possible because no country can survive the level of change we are experiencing.

Oh yes it can! The UK/British Isles has been a nation of immigrants since the beginning if time.

Nicenanny3

11:52HousePlantQueen

If this thread upsets you so much I suggest you don't come on it. I honestly don't know what I've said that is repellent perhaps you can inform me. I'm just reporting the news and posting daily updates on the migrant crossings, I've not sworn or called any other posters nasty names so I'm perplexed, or are you repelled because my views are not the same as yours, well it might come as a big shock to you but out in the big world people do have different views.

But you seem to be advocating the practice of just shooting people!