Why do some Scottish people dislike England so much

Similar SueDonim, I've been to all the countries mentioned, where Granny 23 gets better treatment as a Scot, what does that even mean how would one know how other nationals are treated. The only place where I've ever experienced antipathy is in Scotland, same for my husband, separate incidents before we got together. I would stress that I know that' those who do it are a MINORITY but when anyone is on the end of it for no apparent reason other than a discernible accent, it sticks in the mind.

A while ago George Galloway, politics aside, took to Twitter
when his grown up daughter, who incidentally has two Scottish parents, but obviously has an English accent, carrying her baby at the time, experienced this in a Scottish supermarket, from an apparently well dressed Scottish woman "why don't you f* off back to England you c***"

We’ve been going to the US with our English accents for nearly 25 years and have never had any problem with Americans*. Usually the attitude is of keen interest and this past year, we’ve been asked many times about having a King since the queen died.

The other topic that comes up is that of their ancestral heritage, people like to hear whether you know the areas their GGGF came from etc!

*We’ve never had a problem anywhere in the world, actually, apart from in Scotland, where we’ve lived for 40+ years. No doubt it’s banter to be called an English b*stard, an incomer, a white settler and so on.

In America we were usually asked if we were Irish and in Europe our accents, from a distance, sounded like German to Spanish ears when the words could not be clearly heard. It must be me but no-one has shown me any preference for identifying as a Scot abroad.

Mollygo, we went to Canada 2008, we were treated fine with our shock horror English accents. Canadians we met, super polite. In parts of America, particularly the deep south, we even got, "can you say that again, lovin' the accent" Yes weird blanket stament sort of subliminal undertone going on there, two levels of service acknowledgement the basic one for anyone English and an upgrade to bowing and scraping level if your Scottish Well now you know, maybe go the full tartan, with a bit of Mel Gibson blue paint on your face and you can expect the full red carpet roll out.

Grany23
When abroad we have always been treated better when we were identified as Scots rather than English. This in Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Denmark and particularly in Canada & the Irish Republic.

That’s a really funny blanket statement.
You must have been treated like royalty (bowing and curtsying) to have been treated better than we have been with one or two exceptions.
I haven’t experienced Canada though. Perhaps I’m in for a bad time of it when we visit, or maybe I’ll find they’re as pleasant as I expect.

English teams tend to use the Union Jack and UK National anthem as if it belonged to them alone, which is annoying

I think England is reclaiming the flag at last but definitely needs an anthem.

That happened to md in Ireland, Freya and also in France.

Still, I won't hold it against all the Irish or all the French.

England, Wales and Scotland are all Countries in their own right but joined together in a centuries old partnership i.e. the UK. The problem is that England alone is much bigger than Wales and Scotland put together, such that at any election the UK gets what England wants, In sporting competitions England has a much bigger pool of talent to draw on and therefore is much more likely to produce winners. English teams tend to use the Union Jack and UK National anthem as if it belonged to them alone, which is annoying,
When abroad we have always been treated better when we were identified as Scots rather than English. This in Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Denmark and particularly in Canada & the Irish Republic.
Of course I have many friends who were English Born but have chosen to live in Scotland - notably my DSL Who never claims to be English - He insists that he is a proud "Scottish/Yorkshire man".
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Callistemon213

JaneJudge

I haven't been to Spain for 30 years

I've never been to Scotland.

The Scots I know (and that is quite a large number) have all moved here.

Service by family , RAF Lossie. A beautiful area, as is most of Scotland. Loved visiting, friendly people, as everywhere you get the odd one, such as in a tea shop in Lossie, whose waitresses totally ignored us, but continuing to serve locals. We walked out in the end. That is the only time I've felt unwelcome. If you've never been that's a shame. I'm a fan of Steve Marsh, on You Tube, a Scot who travels all over the country shows places I was never able to vist. Must own up to loving the bag pipes.

Well said Marydoll

It's always the vociferous minority which makes the most noise, though!

As an Englishwoman who married a Scot over 60 years ago and has lived here ever since, I can confirm that it is only a few fanatics who believe the myths and genuinely hate England and the English - similar to the fanatics who hate Germany and all things German. When there are international sports contests there are many others in all the UK who get over-aggressive about supporting their own players, but that is not a monopoly of the Scots. After the recent international, the Scots were actually praised for their good behaviour and told they could come back any time!

Being Scottish has not hindered my three children in their choice of partners - they have all won partners from the deep south of England and are very happy with them.

Well said Marydoll 👏

There are some people who are determined to believe what they want to believe and cannot accept the facts, unfortunately.

I quite agree Marydoll. The National apologised. It has a very small circulation so it wasn't the attitude of many Scots. But carry on , David49 in your blinkered and unpleasant way. This Scot certainly isn't keen on you!

David49

For me their continual complaint that England is doing them down make me dislike Scots, if they stopped complaining maybe my opinion would change.
If being British is not good enough then become independant, that means fully independant, customs borders and visas too, it will be no loss to us. However the SNP has now been emasculated it will be off the agenda.

Not all Scots feel this way.
After reading this sweeping generalisation, it is not surprising some Scots dislike the English.

For me their continual complaint that England is doing them down make me dislike Scots, if they stopped complaining maybe my opinion would change.
If being British is not good enough then become independant, that means fully independant, customs borders and visas too, it will be no loss to us. However the SNP has now been emasculated it will be off the agenda.

I blame the media.😂
My Aussie Son in Law isn’t coming to the U.K. again because it always rains. He’s certainly correct this year. DD is coming alone and we’re off the France where my nephew is marrying a lovely French woman.
Surely we just pretend to hate?
I will just say though that when the English, Irish and Welsh went on leave they returned to the U.K. the Scot’s always returned to Scotland!…. Just saying.

A sign we spotted at the entrance to the Brisbane Lion Park
‘Pommies on bicycles admitted free’
Love Aussie humour.

fancythat

I have learnt from GN that some people hate, really hate, people who are not the same political party as themselves.

So it no longer surprises me that people do really hate someone from a different country.

Now I am seeing where you got the idea from.
This post I presume.

What I was trying to say[thought I did] was that if people can hate[see Trump thread] people from another political party, it is perfectly possible that people can hate someone from a different country to themselves.

Where did I say "all Americans"?

Reread my post of 17.11pm

fancythat

Have you seen the Trump thread for example?
Hate is perfectly visible on there.

What - of all Americans?

You must be reading things that are not there.

TerriBull

I always remember a certain homage to the British when I was in Australia which went something along the lines of "as clean as a pommie's bath towel" whatever were they trying to imply ? I can't imagine.

When me and my ex went to Australia House to undergo a gruelling interview to get residents' visas. We were required to go into one particular room, for I think a photo, where a notice said "please remove jewellery and chains" some bright spark had graffitied next to that "Note the removal of chains, if you're disembarking in Botany Bay" I think that comment had been there a while

It's a matter of pride now, I remember meeting a man at a dinner who couldn't wait to tell me his ancestor had been amongst the first transported on the First Fleet and another woman who said her ancestor was on the Second Fleet.

as clean as a pommie's bath towel

A spray of deodorant = a Pommie shower 😁

I mean the Trump thread about him being shot at.

Have you seen the Trump thread for example?
Hate is perfectly visible on there.

fancythat

I have learnt from GN that some people hate, really hate, people who are not the same political party as themselves.

So it no longer surprises me that people do really hate someone from a different country.

You’re obviously someone who doesn’t engage in robust debate. Of course there are posters here who will fight their corner ( politically) but there’s no hate in these comments. There are posters we know we would never be friends with in RL but just because we reply with passion on a subject doesn’t mean we hate them.
Rather a juvenile view of posters.

I always remember a certain homage to the British when I was in Australia which went something along the lines of "as clean as a pommie's bath towel" whatever were they trying to imply ? I can't imagine.

When me and my ex went to Australia House to undergo a gruelling interview to get residents' visas. We were required to go into one particular room, for I think a photo, where a notice said "please remove jewellery and chains" some bright spark had graffitied next to that "Note the removal of chains, if you're disembarking in Botany Bay" I think that comment had been there a while