Trump shot at rally - just caught his ear.

HousePlantQueen

There are a nauseating number of posts from USA based posters on Twitter/X, claiming that it was God's plan to save Trump. This must be of huge comfort to the family of the retired fire officer who was killed, or the families of the children of Sandy Hook.

I know it is not all Americans, but sometimes I despair. We talk of the cult of personality in China, Russia, North Korea, all smug in our Western Democracies. Trump followers are little different it seems.

For the record, I loathe the man and all he stands for, but think what happened was dreadful.

Trump is still a rapist, cheat, multiple bankrupt, sexual predator, friend of Epstein.....being shot at doesn't suddenly make him more fit for the office of President.

I think it was Trump himself who said God was there that day - well God certainly wasn't for those killed and injured, including a heroic fire chief who was killed trying to save his family.

I suppose it was only to be expected that someone would try to assinate Trump.

Sad that innocent people have died.

I just hope the 20 year old who was shot by the FBI or whoever actually was the shooter - to me this resembles the assissination of President Kennedy rather too much, killing the supposed marksman before establishing that he actually was the shooter!

Anyone hear Biden's speech and like me wonder how anyone could call this sort of shooting "unprecedented and unAmerican"?

Without bothering to look it up, I seem to remember that at least three American presidents have been shot dead, and that other prominent figures have been shot at before now!

HousePlantQueen

There are a nauseating number of posts from USA based posters on Twitter/X, claiming that it was God's plan to save Trump. This must be of huge comfort to the family of the retired fire officer who was killed, or the families of the children of Sandy Hook.

I know it is not all Americans, but sometimes I despair. We talk of the cult of personality in China, Russia, North Korea, all smug in our Western Democracies. Trump followers are little different it seems.

For the record, I loathe the man and all he stands for, but think what happened was dreadful.

Trump is still a rapist, cheat, multiple bankrupt, sexual predator, friend of Epstein.....being shot at doesn't suddenly make him more fit for the office of President.

I completely agree.

This whole thing is just awful.

I dislike Trump but killing someone, anyone, is never the answer.

people shooting people with intent to kill isn't normal

It is in the USA

In the United States, acts of violence committed with the use of firearms have become an everyday phenomenon plaguing the nation. Averaging almost 50,000 deaths from firearms annually, the United States is the only high-income country to report such a high death toll from gun violence. From 2016 onwards, there has been over 10,000 homicides by firearm in the U.S. each year and firearms were the most used murder weapon in the nation by far. In addition, the number of mass shootings and school shootings has been increasing over the last few years, with younger Americans emphasizing the reduction of gun violence and mass shootings as one of the most important issues to their generation. Despite rising rates of gun violence, however, many Americans remain fiercely protective of their constitutional right to bear arms.

www.statista.com/topics/10904/gun-violence-in-the-united-states/

Oh, and it is reported that he did not visit the family of the man who was shot, or visit the injured person in hospital. he played golf.

Must be his way of dealing with PTSD. Yeah that'll be it

There are a nauseating number of posts from USA based posters on Twitter/X, claiming that it was God's plan to save Trump. This must be of huge comfort to the family of the retired fire officer who was killed, or the families of the children of Sandy Hook.

I know it is not all Americans, but sometimes I despair. We talk of the cult of personality in China, Russia, North Korea, all smug in our Western Democracies. Trump followers are little different it seems.

For the record, I loathe the man and all he stands for, but think what happened was dreadful.

Trump is still a rapist, cheat, multiple bankrupt, sexual predator, friend of Epstein.....being shot at doesn't suddenly make him more fit for the office of President.

people shooting people with intent to kill isn't normal
I can't stand trump but what has happened is shocking and I just worry about the world and I'm not able to do anything

Maggiemaybe

Whitewavemark2

Does anyone honestly think that whatever is discovered about the young man that it will change the immediate future in USA?

That is what is worrying me and I’m sure all Americans.

We can but try though, Whitewavemark2. If for example a particular website or group has influenced this person, it could be taken down. Yes, others will emerge and it’s like putting the genie back in the bottle, but the authorities need to do all they can to deter others from going down the same route.

Yes I do understand what and why you are saying, but my point is that the zeitgeist will not change one iota, and the USA remains both volatile and dangerous.

Whitewavemark2

Does anyone honestly think that whatever is discovered about the young man that it will change the immediate future in USA?

That is what is worrying me and I’m sure all Americans.

We can but try though, Whitewavemark2. If for example a particular website or group has influenced this person, it could be taken down. Yes, others will emerge and it’s like putting the genie back in the bottle, but the authorities need to do all they can to deter others from going down the same route.

Thank you, Dickens.

On our news it said he was a loner with no friends and mental health issues. I didn’t just make it up,I wouldn’t do that. We very frequently get different news and views from the UK news. More often than not recently. Anyway ,to be quite honest, I don’t really care what you want to think, Dickens Opinions are free last time I looked.

If there is any chance of interrupting this kind of event, it's worth trying to find out.

In a poll I found ( but couldn’t copy and post) it showed that Republicans wanted the gun laws to remain the same and felt that guns protected people but that Democrats wanted tighter gun control and that they didn’t protect people. So why are the Democrats being blamed for what was a gun related incident? Imo Trump will do nothing about gun control in the population as a whole but will make sure that he himself is better protected.

Does anyone honestly think that whatever is discovered about the young man that it will change the immediate future in USA?

That is what is worrying me and I’m sure all Americans.

Agree - as much information as possible needs to be gathered as to motivation and influences.

The macho gun culture he subscribed to online. Why he, at that particular point, acted as he did.

What tipped him over the edge into a violent, definite suicidal outcome, as high visibility as you can get news wise - given what was known about him.

Yes, and point being, how - and if - incidents like this occur, and whether there is anything that can be done.

nanna8

Well if you think it is normal to shoot at someone, fair comment. In my book it is not normal at all. We clearly get different news from you. I will not defend someone like that, no matter what.

nanna8

Your post is a deliberate attempt to misrepresent - in other words, twist - what Maggiemaybe wrote.

She's simply re-iterated what is so far known about the man who fired the rifle. Which is very little, and a description that could apply to millions of young American men.

Nowhere in her post is she defending him, nor implying that it is "normal to shoot someone".

And yes, it is ridiculous that young men are allowed to own high-powered rifles - but in this case, it seems the weapon belonged to his father.

Freya5

Syracute

But no where does it say he was a left wing fanatic who was taught to hate by left wing liberals etc Freya’s incendiary remark .

Have you even read or viewed the hate speeches re Trump from both American and British politicians. Perhaps you should listen to the American views , and see the shooters video. See the cartoon, sick, of Pelosi on a roof, doing what she said she would. Do you not think those words are incendiary. Feeding a loner, which he was, so it's reported, in America . By the way don't listen to the BBC propaganda, it was a pop. Apparently from a British Journo actually there, who has reported from the Middle East, that what a gun shot sounds like.
The truth, you don't like it, tough.
I will comment no more on this , because it will be twisted to your own agenda.

You do realise, don't you Freya that you are castigating an American here, who probably has a much better understanding of her country and fellow Americans than you do?

Well no, it doesn’t. But surely it’s better for the authorities to find out all the facts behind the shooting and the motivation behind it, so they can try to stop it happening again. Just dismissing a gunman as a nutjob won’t do that.

The fact that he was not on record as receiving MH treatment doesn't mean that he wasn't seriously disturbed or obsessed.

mental health problems

Who’s defending him? I asked where you got your information from. Who has said he was an outsider who likely had serious health problems?

Well if you think it is normal to shoot at someone, fair comment. In my book it is not normal at all. We clearly get different news from you. I will not defend someone like that, no matter what.

nanna8

It seems the shooter was just a nutjob ,an outsider who likely had serious mental problems. Sad that the security didn’t pick him up beforehand and save the lives of the onlookers. Looking at a picture of him, he looked younger than his years. How ridiculous that people like him are even allowed to own high powered rifles. They are very different in that country.

From what I’ve read, the FBI have so far found no mental health issues, the pupil counsellor at his school has said he was quiet but did have friends, he was a very bright student and has given no cause for concern as an employee.

We may never know what led him to do what he did, but what is there to back up your post?

There are appalling words of hate from all sources, which may or may not have affected the young man.

To date, the FBI have found no connections with anyone else and concluding he acted alone.

He did have a job as a cook in a care home, but since the T shirt he wore from Demolition Ranch was gun and macho obsessions one can only guess why he chose to die in the most dramatic way possible.