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Biden to stand down?

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Wyllow3 Thu 18-Jul-24 13:11:03

There's a clutch of headlines which hopefully indicate Biden my at last be re considering.

D Telegraph
"Biden’s supporters plot to fast-track nomination
Push to use ‘virtual’ vote to confirm president’s candidacy comes as he mistakes gender of his Secret Service chief"

Guardian "Joe Biden says he'd step down as presidential candidate if a 'medical condition emerged"

CNN "President Joe Biden is reportedly mulling a decision to step aside from the 2024 presidential race as a new poll has deepened a dilemma involving Vice President Kamala Harris.

On Wednesday evening, CNN's Jeff Zeleny reported that a senior Democratic adviser has said that the president, who was diagnosed with COVID earlier in the day, has become "more receptive" to calls for him to step down."

Hoping, as the USA needs a president who will actually engage with the world and the many more moderate voices in the USA.

LizzieDrip Sat 20-Jul-24 10:08:51

I was listening to the issue being explained by an American political journalist on a podcast recently.

She said the problem facing the Democrats is complex. Even if Biden does step down, finding his replacement is tricky. Apparently the funding for the Democratic campaign is for a ‘Biden / Harris’ ticket. So, Harris would have to be ‘on the ticket’; logically making her the candidate, but she’s unpopular with the electorate.

The journalist said it might just be possible (re. the funding issue) for someone else to run for the top job and leave Harris as VP. However, she said the presidential candidate always chooses their own VP running mate.

Of course, at the moment, it’s all a moot point because Biden is still the Democratic candidate. Phew🤷‍♀️

lemsip Sat 20-Jul-24 10:05:32

Biden should go!... he is so much below par and can't even stride out in a walk to the podium.

Wyllow3 Sat 20-Jul-24 10:03:11

The Democratic convention is August 19th to August 22nd, I believe thats when the candidate is accepted, but I don't understand what it involves replacing Biden before or after that date.

Rekarie Sat 20-Jul-24 09:53:06

Far too hasty there with the post button

There's evidence of Biden doing and saying many odd things. The press will always print Trump's comments but Biden gets away with it.

His comments at a dance competition. The girls were about 14 and he was very inappropriate. Telling the girls he'd be back in 4 years time. Very strange . Hair sniffing is also available on YouTube .

They are both unsavoury and far too old.

But I'd not worry if Trump did win. It's really not such a catastrophe. However we seem to enjoy getting in a tizz so carry on regardless

Rekarie Sat 20-Jul-24 09:47:15

There's always "allegations" doesn't mean any of it was true.

True about many allegations being untrue ,*Vintagew

David49 Sat 20-Jul-24 09:42:27

Old Joe is really struggling now and it’s only going to get worse, some democrats are now saying he’ll be gone by Monday - we will see.

There is no real serious indication who will replace him, it’s highly unlikely to be Harris, whoever it is will have a real problem defeating Trump now.

Luckygirl3 Sat 20-Jul-24 09:16:59

Sigh.

I am not familiar with the process for the Democrats choosing a leader, but surely they can just tell him they don't want him, but would prefer someone who stands a cat in hell's chance of getting rid of the prospect of another Trump presidency.

Looking at it all from this side of the pond, it seems beyond credence that in the whole of the USA these two are the best they can come up with to lead their country.

Mind you, I have no doubt they were equally incredulous when somehow we finished up with Johnson!

nanna8 Sat 20-Jul-24 09:01:26

Biden has just said again that he will not stand down.

Casdon Sat 20-Jul-24 08:40:14

People are using poetic licence here. I can remember the previous discussions about Biden, about his abilities as president during the current term. In my opinion both Biden and Trump are now too old, and have declining faculties, so neither should be able to stand again.

Urmstongran Sat 20-Jul-24 08:34:04

Re Kamala Harris (from a recent poll and this was reported on a BBC website from their USA reporter)

“ Ms Harris' public approval rating sat at 28%, making her one of the least popular vice-presidents in modern history - lower than Iraq War architect Dick Cheney, who was reviled by Democrats.”

Not popular enough by a long chalk to stand against Trump.

maddyone Sat 20-Jul-24 08:31:20

I also said he was too old ages ago and was told no, nothing wrong at all, and that his age wasn’t an issue.

Urmstongran Sat 20-Jul-24 08:27:47

Some of you may well recall I advocated for his replacement a couple of years ago. I was vilified at the time. “Oh he’s just got a stammer. Be kind”.
Yeah right.

Vintagewhine Sat 20-Jul-24 08:19:26

There's always "allegations" doesn't mean any of it was true. However, I think many of us posted that Biden's age was an issue and were accused of ageism. Sadly I think we've been proved correct as Biden's abilities have declined, hardly surprising as the work load of being POTUS is punishing. I just hope he stands down and the Democrats have a candidate who beats Trump as IMO he's a dangerous narcissist.

petra Fri 19-Jul-24 19:12:37

MayBee70

He now says he won’t stand down. I am sadly beginning to think that there is something wrong with him that is affecting his ability to make rational decisions.

There’s been something wrong with him for some years.
Remember all the hair sniffing incidents and other allegations?

Rekarie Fri 19-Jul-24 19:05:03

NotSpaghetti

I just heard that MayBee70 why does he keep saying it?

I read that as well. And I've just read that the Biden family are making arrangements for him to stand down.

We'll just have to wait and see.

maddyone Fri 19-Jul-24 18:44:01

I think he’ll go now.
Covid has given him a reason.

NotSpaghetti Fri 19-Jul-24 18:40:00

I just heard that MayBee70 why does he keep saying it?

MayBee70 Fri 19-Jul-24 17:05:35

He now says he won’t stand down. I am sadly beginning to think that there is something wrong with him that is affecting his ability to make rational decisions.

NotSpaghetti Fri 19-Jul-24 14:49:23

By the way, I had Covid recently- and although I started off feeling OK initially, after a few days I was really ill in bed - weeks later I'm not 100%.

I hope Biden does use Covid as a "medical reason" to hand over.

NotSpaghetti Fri 19-Jul-24 14:44:27

Josh Shapiro may be better - he's currently Governor of Pennsylvania - but I've never heard him speak.

NotSpaghetti Fri 19-Jul-24 14:42:06

WWM my son thinks Gavin Newsom - but there may be a turn-off as he's from California and I think Harris is too.

NotSpaghetti Fri 19-Jul-24 14:39:09

Syracute Trump and Vance - the "macho" offer!

I've read quite widely around where Trump gets his votes from and the difference between 2016 and 2020 was he lost white male votes more than any other demographic.
Vance is therefore a perfect running mate if he wants to get them back.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 19-Jul-24 14:37:27

I think Kamila Harris is ok as VP but I don’t think that she has the communication skills needed.

There are better choices imo Gary Newson or Josh Shapiro being a couple.

Syracute Fri 19-Jul-24 13:31:55

I would like to know where the people get their information on Harris . She is absolutely qualified and capable .
Meanwhile, yesterdays clown show of an RNC featuring Hulk Hogan and Trump being introduced by the head of wrestling . This is what Trump has to offer . His speech was uninspiring ( aka : boring ) whenever he went off script and off the teleprompter he was unintelligable drivel . Melanie came in stiffly waving and smiling only to sit and look miserable the entirety of Trump‘s speech . It ended with her giving the most wooden kiss ever . Telling !
I actually am voting and voting for Biden .

Wyllow3 Fri 19-Jul-24 11:52:08

It's not clear to me why she'd be a "disaster" except reading the opinion that the US is not ready for a black women to be able to win.

Yahoo news has a long and considered article on this, and includes other possible leaders or running mates.

uk.news.yahoo.com/could-kamala-harris-running-mate-173404373.html