Police car flipped over and bus on fire in Leeds as riots break out.

petra

Wyllow3

I sincerely hope we don't mean guns.

I cant imagine any police force - maybe except London? Could find huge numbers of police with full riot gear within about an hour.

And tbh, not sure that would have been the best situation either. The events of that night were a most unusual set of unpredictable circumstances that suddenly flared up.

They managed too when the miners went on strike 🤔

Exactly!
People have short memories.

growstuff

petra has also given details of her experience with Roma, which was much more positive than yours.

Anybody would think you have a problem with people who aren't just the same as you.

Don’t be silly.

Wyllow3

I sincerely hope we don't mean guns.

I cant imagine any police force - maybe except London? Could find huge numbers of police with full riot gear within about an hour.

And tbh, not sure that would have been the best situation either. The events of that night were a most unusual set of unpredictable circumstances that suddenly flared up.

They managed too when the miners went on strike 🤔

Nope, even Scotland, Wales and Ireland were ultimately built by immigrants.

Then subsequently colonised huge parts of the world. Hence why calls for reparation are such nonsense

tickingbird

growstuff

Self-loathing anti-British types? That's a new one on me. I assume I'm one of them. hmm grin

Now, now don’t be bashful. False modesty doesn’t suit you.

Nor does being gaslit!

petra has also given details of her experience with Roma, which was much more positive than yours.

Anybody would think you have a problem with people who aren't just the same as you.

growstuff

Self-loathing anti-British types? That's a new one on me. I assume I'm one of them. hmm grin

Now, now don’t be bashful. False modesty doesn’t suit you.

Nope, even Scotland, Wales and Ireland were ultimately built by immigrants.

It’s amazing how the police can steam into football supporter in great numbers, batons swinging but somehow can’t drum up the same enthusiasm for law and order when certain communities decide to go on the rampage. Most odd. Anyone would think we had two tier policing!

Self-loathing anti-British types? That's a new one on me. I assume I'm one of them.

No, you are the one ignoring the fact that everybody in the UK has immigrant ancestry - some have ancestors who were more recent immigrants. Some Roma have families have ancestry which goes back 100s of years in the UK. You are confusing people with different cultures (not that there's a single culture in the UK anyway) with immigration

Yes according to some self loathing anti British types. We all know Britain or should I say England, was built by immigrants. There’s not one native that’s contributed anything to these islands, it’s all down to immigrants. Does that extend to those same immigrants plundering and colonising large parts of the world or were they UK natives only?

It’s strange how one prolific, fiercely Scottish independence poster (no longer here) stated her DNA test revealed she was 100% Scottish, no foreign blood at all. She used to come out with this we’re all immigrants nonsense too. Unfortunately for her she had a poor memory and I used to take pleasure in reminding her of her previous posts. However, I digress.

As I stated previously I have first hand knowledge of Roma gypsies and the experience was far from pleasant.

I don’t know where this idea about policing only with consent came from.It was certainly not true in the past.Police used to go in hard where lawbreaking was concerned.
Of course they didn't run away’ it was decided for them to withdraw but what message does that send out?
Police do have stab vests and riot police have all the gear come to that.
I agree tho that water cannon could also be brought out when there’s severe disruption/ riots on the street.
This Leeds case wasn’t too bad and was confined to a few streets in Hareshill apparently but could have been dealt with
better by bringing in more police to contain and arrest.

MaizieD

Aren't water cannon illegal in the UK?

Remember Johnson spaffing £millions away on buying water cannon for London which couldn't be used?

Maybe they shouldn’t be!

Nobody wants the police to be armed but riots do flare up suddenly and the police need to be able to subdue them quickly. There are other methods to quell riots than bullets.

Aren't water cannon illegal in the UK?

Remember Johnson spaffing £millions away on buying water cannon for London which couldn't be used?

I don’t think anyone means guns Wyllow. We are proud of our police officers not being routinely armed with guns in this country. Of course we do have armed police where it is deemed necessary, but I don’t think this situation was a situation that needed guns. No, I think most posters feel that the police need more protective body armour, and shields, and also in order to disperse rioters, something such as water cannons or tear gas. Like the French.

I sincerely hope we don't mean guns.

I cant imagine any police force - maybe except London? Could find huge numbers of police with full riot gear within about an hour.

And tbh, not sure that would have been the best situation either. The events of that night were a most unusual set of unpredictable circumstances that suddenly flared up.

I don't know what the police were to do either

nanna8

Pepper spray? tasers? I can’t believe the police are still unarmed in this day and age, poor devils. No wonder they can’t get enough of them.

Exactly. They have nothing. I would hate our police to be routinely armed but they need more than a baton to deal with rioters.

Yes, me too.

I do too.

One thing that struck me was that despite the riots
"Yorkshire Police confirmed no one was injured in the events"

The other factor was that as the events continued numbers of people from outside the area arrived to join the criminal activities.

Pepper spray? tasers? I can’t believe the police are still unarmed in this day and age, poor devils. No wonder they can’t get enough of them.

That's how I see it too Iam64.

I agree with your post at 09.52 Iam64.

Thank you Iam64. I think we see the situation in the same way.

AGAA4

So what do you suggest as the only outcome is injury in these battles? We don't use the tactics of other countries in these riots. The police only have batons against frenzied thugs.
One of our friends was killed in riots years ago trying to subdue an angry mob. He was 25 and left a wife and 2 year old child.
Until we give the police the resources to deal with these situations then I don't expect them to give up their lives fighting hooligans.

until we give the police the resources to deal with these situations

And that is the crux of the matter. In today’s world our police are woefully unable to deal with these situations because for some reason, they are expected to go into riots with no body armour or protective clothing and they have nothing with which to disperse the crowd. I think they need water cannons like the French or tear gas because with no protection and nothing to cause the crowd to disperse, they have absolutely no way to calm the situation.