Police car flipped over and bus on fire in Leeds as riots break out.

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Cadeby

Mothin Ali seems to speak from the heart. Thankfully there are decent people in the world.

He may care about his own neighbourhood and Gaza, he was the elected Green who said his win was ‘for Gaza’.

His support for Gaza wasn't relevant in this situation and he he didn't mention it in his interviews AFAIK.

X posted with you AGAA4.

Our police have history of policing by consent. It’s incorrect to say they ran away. No one could have predicted this reaction to a safeguarding issue. If information already known suggests A police presence is needed during this type of sw involvement that will happen. It usually avoids the emotional temperature escalating, which is best for all concerned.
They didn’t ‘run away’, they were obviously advised to withdraw. What else do posters say they should have done? This blew up quickly, no dogs, horses, protective shields. Our police are usually running towards trouble as we retreat. That’s what they did initially. Look at the violence towards police property - officers were risking their lives. I’m relieved they retreated.

So what do you suggest as the only outcome is injury in these battles? We don't use the tactics of other countries in these riots. The police only have batons against frenzied thugs.
One of our friends was killed in riots years ago trying to subdue an angry mob. He was 25 and left a wife and 2 year old child.
Until we give the police the resources to deal with these situations then I don't expect them to give up their lives fighting hooligans.

AGAA4

Primrose the Police left as their presence was making things worse and the British police have no means of defence against these thugs. I don't think they were even wearing riot gear. In other countries water cannons and tear gas would have been used.
They were told to withdraw as the situation could have resulted in serious injury. When they left things calmed down.
I always wonder why some people demean the police at every opportunity 🤔 mmm ......

On the other hand, these were the self same tactics used in Croyden some years ago, police standing by helplessly then withdrawing and allowing looting burning and general mayhem to go on unchecked.I had hoped that they’d learned a lesson from that.
If ‘their presence makes things worse and the British police have no defence against these thugs’ then what are they for?

Cadeby

Mothin Ali seems to speak from the heart. Thankfully there are decent people in the world.

He may care about his own neighbourhood and Gaza, he was the elected Green who said his win was ‘for Gaza’.

Primrose the Police left as their presence was making things worse and the British police have no means of defence against these thugs. I don't think they were even wearing riot gear. In other countries water cannons and tear gas would have been used.
They were told to withdraw as the situation could have resulted in serious injury. When they left things calmed down.
I always wonder why some people demean the police at every opportunity 🤔 mmm ......

petra

Why is it that the only person named is Romanian when one very distinctive photo showed an obviously Asian man setting light to a bus.
I know why and I’m sure many others do.

Why do you think that man is obviously Asian? I've seen the video too and I didn't draw that conclusion.

No, you are the one ignoring the fact that everybody in the UK has immigrant ancestry - some have ancestors who were more recent immigrants. Some Roma have families have ancestry which goes back 100s of years in the UK. You are confusing people with different cultures (not that there's a single culture in the UK anyway) with immigration.

Casdon

You clearly do, or you wouldn’t have ignored the reality that many of the Roma in the UK are in fact as native as you are yourself, with family origins here going back 500 years.

I didn’t ignore anything; you are the one ignoring the facts here. I understand you are loathe to address the issues surrounding the events in Leeds as it doesn’t suit your narrative. However, many people are willing to face up to the problems facing the UK due to mass immigration. Even the loathsome, hypocrite Blair has urged KS to get to grips with it, which is more than rich considering his actions when in power.

Now let’s get back to the OP shall we?

petra

Why is it that the only person named is Romanian when one very distinctive photo showed an obviously Asian man setting light to a bus.
I know why and I’m sure many others do.

Probably because they are unable to name the five people still in custody until they are charged petra. Was that the reason you were thinking of?

Why is it that the only person named is Romanian when one very distinctive photo showed an obviously Asian man setting light to a bus.
I know why and I’m sure many others do.

Mothin Ali seems to speak from the heart. Thankfully there are decent people in the world.

It's a good article, primrose.

AGAA4

Mt61 the police withdrew because their presence was making the situation worse. They won't have just run away as they will have been ordered to leave.

Not what the locals say. 😉

inews.co.uk/news/leeds-police-outnumbered-ran-away-riot-locals-claim-3179735

This video is quite helpful re the police withdrawal and the general nature of the protests.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/leeds-riot-harehills-news-police-b2582674.html#

A man has been charged with arson and violent disorder after a bus was set on fire during riots in Leeds on Thursday night.

He was named as Iustin Dobre, 37, and will appear at Leeds Magistrates' Court on Monday.

A further five people were arrested on suspicion of violent disorder on Saturday and remain in police custody, West Yorkshire Police said.
Sky News

Mt61 I completely agree with you as well. Your summary is spot on.

I saw that on video Wyllow, very brave in the midst of the mayhem.

Casdon

Most UK Roma are Christians, not sure if people were aware of that, but it would appear that Farage wasn’t when he tweeted.

His tweet disgusted me when it was the local councillor and a youth worker who intervened - having a go at Muslims in his utter ignorance

Daily Express

"Footage shared today shows the moment a Leeds Green councillor and Muslim community outreach campaigner risked his own life to try to bring an end to the violent scenes.

Councillor Mothin Ali confronted rioters in the burning street as he told them: "Stop it, stop it! This is our neighbourhood! This is our neighbourhood."

A rioter then tells him, "it's gonna get worse."

He replies: "Well don't burn it then!."

The other man with Cllr Mothin Ali, believed to be Ustadh Mohammed Adam Aslam, a local Muslim youth worker, then comes to the rioters and screams "Who's inside that house? You gonna be blamed for their deaths?

"Think before you act! There's children in there. There's families in there. Think before you act. This is our neighbourhood"

I think it’s quite culturally normal for some children to suffer from benign neglect in the UK. It’s when it’s actual neglect the thresholds are met 🤷‍♀️

Most UK Roma are Christians, not sure if people were aware of that, but it would appear that Farage wasn’t when he tweeted.

I haven’t even mentioned the police….

The public doesn't even know what really happened. It could have been neglect, abuse or an accident for all any of us know. At least the baby was taken to hospital, which is more than some children who have died from abuse ever have been.

Of course the hospital had a duty to report the suspicions and social services were right to take away the children until the facts are established.

It would appear that the social media grapevine then went into overdrive and I'm sure we all know how facts get mangled in the process. There are communities (Roma aren't the only ones) who dislike authority figures and react instinctively ... and then anti-socials love to join in the fray.

Farage even tweeted a criticism of Muslims ... as others condemned the Muslim councillor who tried to calm things down and poured water on the fire.

This incident involved one Roma family, but it doesn't take long for people to pile in and condemn every Roma person.

sometimes there are cultural differences in child-rearing.
remember when some UK hosts had problems with Ukrainian refugees leaving their children alone in the house.
the hosts said they couldn't supervise the child, the parent didn't see the need for any supervision . . .