Police car flipped over and bus on fire in Leeds as riots break out.

There are good and bad people in all countries and communities.

I have a lot of dealings with social services and I think they are very careful not to discriminate or be prejudiced in any way. If abuse/neglect was suspected and the family were planning on leaving the country, what could SS do? We've already had a case recently where a couple went 'on the run' with a baby to avoid SS and the baby died. Children need protection and from my own experience and POV I really don't think they hastily take children into their care, quite the opposite, they work with families to access support, parenting classes, family support workers etc. Cuts to services has all made this a lot harder though, that goes without saying.

Pictures and videos are over all over MSM: (some showing the children being taken, which I deplore)

it shows clearly the smashing of the police car and other incidents "by colour" - but no one to my knowledge has said "far right" - the term being used, quite properly, is criminal.

And the councillor involved in trying to halt some of the violence said and I believe quite properly, that underlying causes of frustration, social deprivation, poverty had a great deal with it.

I think a sensible approach would be to examine the full circumstances, not over politicise.

The home secretary has condemned violent disorder that broke out on the streets of Leeds, describing it as "audacious criminality".

Ms Cooper said: "I've been talking to West Yorkshire Police officers and also to local community leaders about the action they are taking in response to these unacceptable scenes of disorder and criminality that we saw last night.

Rioting breaks out in Leeds so let’s look into Social Services, the police, the Government. Anyone but the rioters. Whatever the reasons for taking the children, right or wrong, will come to light in due course, but does that justify what then unfolded? Of course not. Surely we can all agree on that? Someone said the footage showed a white person throwing stones. How about the vast majority who were there who were non whites with lighters in their hands setting fire to the bus, throwing far more than stones and perpetrating the riots? If anyone thinks the vast majority of rioters were white then I’m afraid you have lost the plot. If they had been white I’m pretty sure they would be all over the MSM as far right people running riot. Why are people so scared to have a proper conversation about this? If it’s grooming gangs, rioting, whatever, it needs to be called out as should any violence from far right extremism’s. Yet people continue to make excuses, sweep it under the carpet. The legacy this is leaving for our children and grandchildren is frightening, and our generation will be to blame. But, that’s just my opinion, and no doubt I will get called all the usual names, but I’m sick and tired of all the excuses and worst of all the failure to even be able to discuss it.

Primrose53

Whitewavemark2

Are you muddling Roma people with Romanians?

No.

In which case why talk about the tents in London and Romania as if they are associated with Roma people?

Iam64

News reports today indicate the baby had a fractured skull after being dropped on the head. The parents say the injury was caused by one of the older children. Four of them had been left for a period of time whilst their parents were out. The decision to remove the children followed the parents decision to leave the country

The news spread quickly through the Roma community in the area. Spokesperson said they get persecuted at home, all over Europe and now in the UK

There was an interview with a male neighbour (will try and find it) he said that the baby fell out of a window whilst in the care of its elder siblings?

The uk is much richer for being multicultural

Whitewavemark2

Are you muddling Roma people with Romanians?

No.

primrose

Are you muddling Roma people with Romanians?

The Roma are a law unto themselves. They have taken over parts of many UK towns where other people dare not go now.

The tent city in central London is Roma people.

They are mostly aggressive, bullying people. My neighbour and her sister and family went out to live inRomania for a couple of years. Their accommodation was a very basic type of hut with a hole in the roof instead of a chimney.

Within a couple of hours aRoma woman walked in and told them she would be their cook and cleaner. A couple of burly men waited outside. They were so intimidated that they agreed.

They paid her a lot of money every week to buy food but she ripped them off by buying just the cheapest meat she could and poor veggies. They tried a few times to end their agreement but she just started screaming at them and waving her arms about and pointing at her henchmen

Sorry should say " they don't expect".

Iam64

News reports today indicate the baby had a fractured skull after being dropped on the head. The parents say the injury was caused by one of the older children. Four of them had been left for a period of time whilst their parents were out. The decision to remove the children followed the parents decision to leave the country

The news spread quickly through the Roma community in the area. Spokesperson said they get persecuted at home, all over Europe and now in the UK

Persecuted, so you don't expect any investigation by authorities when a child presents with a skill fracture, possibly caused by a sibling, really. They should just be left alone to carry on, just because they are an ethnic minority. REALLY

News reports today indicate the baby had a fractured skull after being dropped on the head. The parents say the injury was caused by one of the older children. Four of them had been left for a period of time whilst their parents were out. The decision to remove the children followed the parents decision to leave the country

The news spread quickly through the Roma community in the area. Spokesperson said they get persecuted at home, all over Europe and now in the UK

People are free to share anything and people are also free to respond in any way they like that doesnt break guidelines.

Germanshepherdsmum

This isn’t about the NHS or your experiences with it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe members here are free to share their thoughts and experiences. Unless of course there is some sort of gate keeping structure at play ?

I'm sorry MIY for your trauma.

Perhaps the point you were trying to make is that things are more complex than they initially seem.

Thanks JaneJudge - I’ll pop over to the dark side.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Galaxy, I remember that case, too. The judge ruled that the social workers were wrong. Tragic events proved them right

I have no idea about who is right in this case. However I will never forget the family on This morning explaining how terrible it was their child had been taken into care and how they fought against the judgement. Obviously social services coulnt comment on the case.
The child was dead within a year, killed by the father.

I’m waiting to learn more about the head injury to this baby. Mistakes do happen and we learn about them but rarely about the children whose lives are changed for the better by intervention. I went to the funeral of a foster carer friend recently. She’d foster 250 children. Many long term who attended her funeral. Some were in their 50’s and had maintained contact with ‘mum’ and each other. I heard three talking and agreeing ‘mum and my social worker saved me’.

It’s so easy to criticise the scenes on line with police forcibly removing two older distressed children. They’re a tough watch but we don’t know how long attempts to calm the situation had been going on or what the immediate risk of significant harm may be.

Yes I had a bad experience in Tesco the other day that seems as relevant. I under no circumstances want the welfare of children placed in the hands of random people. Of course all organisations have failings the answer it to tackle those failings not destroy all organisations.

This isn’t about the NHS or your experiences with it.

eazybee

^Exactly - Social Services appear to be doing this a lot nowadays too, I know of several people that have been gaslighted by them and blamed for things that haven't happened .... are they trying to give the authorities reasons for their existence? ^

That is a dangerously silly comment to make, MadeInYorkshire

Is it, dangerous and silly? Not to the many people that are trying to seek justice for these things ....

I actually know 3 people this has happened to, but hey have ruined the lives of many. Our authorities are corrupt, particularly the NHS 'trusts' (what a misnomer that is) who will lie, and lie in order to save face. Staff are threatened and hounded if they try to whistle-blow over things like patient safety and some have even lost their careers for standing up for their patients. They made my friend disabled, & her notes had huge gaps in them when we went to look. They lied to me - I was left screaming in agony for 8 hours. I was in so much excruciating pain I tried to get off the trolley that was parked next to the nurses station, where they all sat, tapping on computers, ignoring my screams. I got my feet to the floor and the last thing I saw before blacking out & hitting the floor, was the trolley flying up the corridor into the next poor sod lying there. They hadn't put the brakes on. I came to in 'scanning', after which a surgeon came to tell me that my bowel was dying and he's needing to operate very shortly before it perforates and gives me sepsis. I still have flashbacks to that day. When I wrote to complain & ask what had happened, they denied it all, 'There were no recorded falls in the dept that day'. It might not have been recorded, but it did happen - I'm disabled & I cannot get myself up from the floor, and neither can I get onto those high trolleys on my own!

My 'god-sister's' husband lost his life because a dermatology therapy burned him. Ten days later he was very ill and got admitted. He'd got sepsis from those burns which despite having notices about sepsis all over the NHS, they missed it. He actually tried to escape at one point, as he said that they were killing him, and they did. The trust is lying to his wife, 'we can't interview the doctor because she has left our trust', having left it for 17 months before responding to her concerns. Turns out she is no longer even a doctor, so maybe that doctor had her own concerns that she would have been found out? They will try to settle with huge sums of money (in fact many spend more on legal claims than they often do on care!), but she WILL have her day in court.

Historical failings of the North East Ambulance Service who covered up details of the deaths of patients following mistakes by paramedics, That still hasn't been investigated properly, and families are trying to get justice.

Not isolated cases, and there'll be many, many more sadly ... most of the news outlets are only concentrating on the dreadful violence, not about the incident that sparked it.

Namsnanny

Iam64 The images I saw showed white men throwing stones, setting fire to buses, wrecking police cars and rioting .....

Images of this situation?

They are on Leeds Live on a video, amongst other sites. It looks a very mixed group.