Police car flipped over and bus on fire in Leeds as riots break out.

Rekarie

icanhandthemback

Before the children were taken away there would have been quite a lot of work done with the schools/nurseries/Gp's etc being consulted. My daughter has had a lot of involvement one way or another with Social Services and although they can be odd in the things they advise, if you make the effort, they will not usually take away your children on a whim.

That's not always the case. My friend is a foster carer and she's taken children in who have been removed from their homes due to an incident. She took in one baby and sibling who had been removed just an hour before. No discussions with anyone. Obviously sometimes immediate danger will cause immediate removal.

Where serious incidents happen, yes but when the children have been in situ for such a long time, enquiries are made of schools and other professionals whilst SS assess the situation.

They may go home after intervention, no one has any idea as it is all confidential

MadeinYorkshire, safeguarding children is the remit of social workers working with children and families.
Of course, there have been mistakes made by Social Services, but no one has a list of the numbers of children who are alive and well following SS involvement, who might not be so otherwise. I expect that we can all name children who died at the hands of their parents or caregivers and social workers are on the forefront of blame when this occurs.
Families may not be truthful in why the child/ren are being removed.

Water cannon the lot of them. A result of soft policing.

Iam64 The images I saw showed white men throwing stones, setting fire to buses, wrecking police cars and rioting .....

Images of this situation?

icanhandthemback

Before the children were taken away there would have been quite a lot of work done with the schools/nurseries/Gp's etc being consulted. My daughter has had a lot of involvement one way or another with Social Services and although they can be odd in the things they advise, if you make the effort, they will not usually take away your children on a whim.

That's not always the case. My friend is a foster carer and she's taken children in who have been removed from their homes due to an incident. She took in one baby and sibling who had been removed just an hour before. No discussions with anyone. Obviously sometimes immediate danger will cause immediate removal.

The NHS/SS don’t get involved Willy, nilly, they must have had good reason to investigate the situation

Pay back the government in what respect? For giving them a helping hand?

Agreed, eazybee. SS doubtless had to involve the police because of the danger they were facing from the community. MiY calls that ‘the community rallying round’. I call it taking the law into their own hands.

it's just bonkers

I’m sure we all remember the terrible riots in London some years ago. I know there have been many riots in the UK over the centuries, but many were protests against poverty, a lack of work and eviction from homes and land. Now we seem to have reached the situation seen in parts of the US where, if someone in the community considers (rightly or not) that they have been wronged, others begin to riot and loot by way of ‘support’.

Exactly - Social Services appear to be doing this a lot nowadays too, I know of several people that have been gaslighted by them and blamed for things that haven't happened .... are they trying to give the authorities reasons for their existence?

That is a dangerously silly comment to make, MadeInYorkshire

welbeck

Namsnanny, if you click on the daily mail link above, you will find the footage of councillor ali in action, bravely confronting rioters and trying to prevent risk of arson to nearby houses with children.
must have been absolutely terrifying for anyone living in that district.
i was surprised to see in early pictures that it seems to have been a double decker bus that was reduced to ash.
imagine how the driver felt when he was trapped in that area; the bus wasn't parked there, it was en route.

Thanks welbeck, I will look out for published videos.

I saw the video of the two men (later on others helped) lighting the bus on fire. The driver and passengers had long gone by that time, so were not in danger.

I heard the crowd shouting how the were going to riot to pay back the gov.

I think the lone woman who confronted the crowd and took a large plastic rubbish bin on wheels away from some men (and seemed to be telling them off in some fashion), was the bravest of all.

They were intent on adding the bin to a street fire but she was stopping them.

BTW, most of the crowd seemed as if they were at a street party. Laughing, dancing, showing off. Plenty of children wandering in and out.

Credit where credit is due, she had more gumption and backbone than any of the crowd, councillor, police put together.

Why are people making it sound as though this is a one off incident of rioting, and blaming immigration for it?
There was a very similar in incident in Swansea in 2021 involving a local community, and I’m sure people will remember other incidents. Hot evenings, young men and triggers are a common factor.
www.itv.com/news/wales/2022-12-19/eighteen-jailed-over-disgraceful-swansea-mayhill-riots

I watched it unfold live on tv last night and it was absolutely disgraceful. To see this happening on uk streets is truly depressing. The ones not born here should be deported. I’m sick of it.

Iam64

Namsnanny, it’s very clear Mr Ali was supported in his attempts to calm the situation by other menbers of the community.

Well, Thanks for your affirmation of the situation as you see it, but forgive me for wanting first hand information, as the press will slant things anyway they wish.

Imv, as I'm sure you will appreciate, the only way to be fair or impartial is to try to avoid getting information filtered through a biased source.

Complete disregard for this country’s law & order.. in-fact Starma could use that £84 million building new jails, to house this lot. Absolutely disgusting

Live even

I under no circumstances want to love in a community where rallying around looks like that.

Before the children were taken away there would have been quite a lot of work done with the schools/nurseries/Gp's etc being consulted. My daughter has had a lot of involvement one way or another with Social Services and although they can be odd in the things they advise, if you make the effort, they will not usually take away your children on a whim.

Namsnanny, if you click on the daily mail link above, you will find the footage of councillor ali in action, bravely confronting rioters and trying to prevent risk of arson to nearby houses with children.
must have been absolutely terrifying for anyone living in that district.
i was surprised to see in early pictures that it seems to have been a double decker bus that was reduced to ash.
imagine how the driver felt when he was trapped in that area; the bus wasn't parked there, it was en route.

Urmstongran

“ One local, who claimed to know the family involved, said the riot had initially begun as a protest against the children being taken away.

“I have heard it was a baby who was injured – by a sibling. But it was just an accident and it happened a while ago.

“The parents took the baby to the hospital for a check-up.

“They could not believe it when the hospital called social services. After all this time, the social workers then took the four children into care.

“They did not give the family a reason. They just said it was for the best.

“Those kids have never been harmed by their parents and that is why people got so angry. It was a protest.”

Well I doubt social workers would go in on a whim. They must have had grave concerns and no matter what the neighbour says, none of us know what goes on behind closed doors.

Exactly - Social Services appear to be doing this a lot nowadays too, I know of several people that have been gaslighted by them and blamed for things that haven't happened .... are they trying to give the authorities reasons for their existence?

Social Services didn't take them away either - they were removed forcibly by the police and bundled into a police van. The trauma those poor kids will have had. I don't condone the violence at all, but I like that the community rallied round, mine certainly wouldn't have done. My neighbours were twitching their curtains when my daughter died and police and ambulance services were here; they watched as the coffin drove past the house, yet not one has ever spoken to me before nor since! Lovely place to live ....

Thanks Rekarie - I didn’t see all the footage.

I read the baby had an injury which the parents said was caused by one of the older children. I imagine the parents told relatives and neighbours who, as is often the case, believed social workers had it wrong.
Dreadful for everyone, especially the children.

The 2 setting fire to the bus weren't white but I don't really believe that's relevant.

The baby had gone to hospital with a head wound and it was decided all children should be removed. Awful experience for everyone concerned.

This caused major upset and locals joined in

I might be totally wrong but I don't think this will happen again tonight

Namsnanny, it’s very clear Mr Ali was supported in his attempts to calm the situation by other menbers of the community.