Starmer gives £84 Million to Africa and Middle East

Cadeby

Charity and kindness begins where there is a need.

The words " our own" make me shudder.

How weird if that makes you shudder.

Don’t you love your own flesh and blood better than anybody else?

The saying means that everybody should make sure their own family is cared for first, and should then look out to see who else is in need of help. It’s not one or the other, it’s both.

Of course anybody would help their family first

We recently paid for our six year old grandson in New Zealand to have his tonsils and adenoids removed. Like here in the UK, there are long waits for surgery in NZ. His hearing was down 50% and that was likely to affect his learning. Whilst I sometimes donate to charities that help people both here and abroad, I would always put my own family first. That’s why the social groupings of families developed, in order to look after the vulnerable in your own family.

It’s not one or the other, it’s both.

Of course it is, but most people will put their own family’s needs first.

There are three levels here, I don’t think there is dispute about putting your family first, but there is about charity being concentrated purely on the UK, or helping people in need overseas as well. Some of the interpretation on the thread is that ‘at home’ is the UK.

Primrose53

foxie48

Exactly, that's my point, people in need are people in need wherever they are. tbh I don't believe in a hierachy of "need". however, I doubt there are people starving to death in the UK, whereas in other parts of the world there are people who depend on aid in order to stay alive. We may be unhappy with the NHS but some people in the world have absolutely no access to medical services apart from those provided by aid agencies etc etc. As I've already said, I am happy for 0.5% of my contributions to the state to be used for people living in abject poverty in other countries, you might not be but that's what most civilised societies agree to donate at the minimum.

Rot!!! If anyone in your family needed money for food or a loan for private medical treatment you are not telling me you would say “sorry but I have decided to send money to overseas charity instead of you lot”.

Of course anybody would help their family first.

It really isn’t ’Rot!!!’

We have money set aside for international aid. It’s in different pots than money for the NHS or universal credit/child benefit so whataboutery answers no difficult questions

We do help our families first, I do directly and indirectly in taxes. That doesn’t stop me donating to charities here and abroad.

When the words " our own" are used they do not always refer to immediate family.

Cadeby

When the words " our own" are used they do not always refer to immediate family.

I know what you mean. “our own people”. i.e. people who live in this country.

Nothing wrong with helping “our own” first and then people in other countries if there’s anything left.

I see David Lammy has gone to India to be met by none other than Mr Modi himself. I'd bet the Crown Jewels that Modi is angling for an aid handout.
Why not tap the multi-billionaire parents of that couple who had the most stupendously expensive wedding that India has ever seen?
Charity begins at home Mr Lammy - and the WASPI's are at the front of the queue.

There are millions of very poor people in India who can’t even access healthcare. It’s time India stepped up to it’s own responsibilities though because there is huge wealth in that country. It’s not a country that needs to hold out it’s hand for aid, there are many other countries where aid is needed more.

I don't pretend to understand any of this. I just Googled about the national debt and it says: The total amount the government owes is called the national debt. It is currently about £2.7 trillion.

Okay so someone much cleverer than me, can you explain how we can give money away when we are £2.7 trillion in debt already. And secondly, why can't the countries who need the money borrow it themselves and have their own debt?

India and China send rockets to the moon they don’t need handout from us, they also have countless billionaires tax them, there are plenty of deserving causes that do need help.

maddyone

There are millions of very poor people in India who can’t even access healthcare. It’s time India stepped up to it’s own responsibilities though because there is huge wealth in that country. It’s not a country that needs to hold out it’s hand for aid, there are many other countries where aid is needed more.

Plus PM Modi is no friend to the UK, and India have a space programme.
In this instance foreign aid is only for diplomatic reasons as are some others.
While there are so many problems here in the UK that need fixing.

Don't these so called politicians like the awful Lammy love giving our money away, yes our money the taxpayer, taxed even when we die. Did I or did you vote for this, was it in their manifesto, I don't think so. I suppose it make them feel good on the world stage gives their profile a lift prancing around handing out the cash. Well I'm not impressed I want you to sort Britain first we have enough problems here .

Nicenanny3

Don't these so called politicians like the awful Lammy love giving our money away, yes our money the taxpayer, taxed even when we die. Did I or did you vote for this, was it in their manifesto, I don't think so. I suppose it make them feel good on the world stage gives their profile a lift prancing around handing out the cash. Well I'm not impressed I want you to sort Britain first we have enough problems here .

Which bit of this has Lammy “given” away?

Which bit of this will give no benefit to the U.K. ?

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new UK-India Technology Security Initiative agreed delivering crucial collaboration on telecoms security and unlocking investment across emerging technologies
the new initiative will refresh and deepen the Comprehensive Strategic Partnership, focusing on boosting economic growth in both countries
UK and India agree to closer collaboration on tackling climate change, accelerating our green energy partnership on off-shore wind and green hydrogen, and unlocking green growth opportunities

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The Initiative has been spearheaded and agreed by the National Security Advisors (NSAs) following negotiations between both countries to expand collaboration in critical and emerging technologies across priority sectors. It will set out a bold new approach for how the UK and India work together on the defining technologies of this decade – telecoms, critical minerals, AI, quantum, health/bio tech, advanced materials and semiconductors.

This first of its kind agreement – delivered by the Foreign Secretary on behalf of the Prime Minister – builds on a series of partnerships between the British and Indian government, industry and academia. The respective National Security Advisers will take this agreement forward to ensure the collective potential of UK-Indian critical technologies is harnessed.  

The announcement is part of a wider package of announcements the Foreign Secretary agreed following bilateral meetings in New Delhi with Indian Prime Minister Modi and Minister for External Affairs Dr Jaishankar to refresh the UK-India Comprehensive Strategic Partnership. This will drive forward a bilateral partnership that is framed on boosting economic growth, deepening co-operation across key issues including trade, technology, education, culture and climate. 

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Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has pledged £84m for projects in Africa and the Middle East to stop illegal migration "at source".
The government said the new funding for education, employment opportunities and humanitarian support would help address the factors driving people to leave their homes.
Speaking at the fourth summit of the European Political Community (EPC), which the UK hosted at Blenheim Palace in Oxfordshire, Sir Keir agreed with French President Emmanuel Macron that there was "no easy silver bullet" to stop small boats crossing the English Channel.
But the PM said he wanted to focus on "practical solutions", not "gimmicks".

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I bet Britain is footing the bill.

Casdon

There are three levels here, I don’t think there is dispute about putting your family first, but there is about charity being concentrated purely on the UK, or helping people in need overseas as well. Some of the interpretation on the thread is that ‘at home’ is the UK.

For me "at home " is the UK. Where else would it be if we live here.

Whitewavemark2

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Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has pledged £84m for projects in Africa and the Middle East to stop illegal migration "at source".
The government said the new funding for education, employment opportunities and humanitarian support would help address the factors driving people to leave their homes.
Speaking at the fourth summit of the European Political Community (EPC), which the UK hosted at Blenheim Palace in Oxfordshire, Sir Keir agreed with French President Emmanuel Macron that there was "no easy silver bullet" to stop small boats crossing the English Channel.
But the PM said he wanted to focus on "practical solutions", not "gimmicks".

This would be a much more sensible approach than Rwanda, however one of the root causes of migration for both Europe and USA is climate change and Labour are woefully negligent at the moment in that area.. I don't think it was even in the Kinds speech.. Please correct me if that isn't right..

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Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has pledged £84m for projects in Africa and the Middle East to stop illegal migration "at source".
The government said the new funding for education, employment opportunities and humanitarian support would help address the factors driving people to leave their homes.
Speaking at the fourth summit of the European Political Community (EPC), which the UK hosted at Blenheim Palace in Oxfordshire, Sir Keir agreed with French President Emmanuel Macron that there was "no easy silver bullet" to stop small boats crossing the English Channel.
But the PM said he wanted to focus on "practical solutions", not "gimmicks".

This would be a much more sensible approach than Rwanda, however one of the root causes of migration for both Europe and USA is climate change and Labour are woefully negligent at the moment in that area.. I don't think it was even in the Kinds speech.. Please correct me if that isn't right..

From the King's Speech:
"Energy and Net zero
Labour’s manifesto for the 2024 general election included a commitment to introduce an "Energy Independence Act”, legislation which would establish a framework enabling the UK to become “a clean energy superpower”.
The six “first steps for change” in Labour’s manifesto included a commitment to establish Great British Energy (GBE). Labour’s manifesto said GBE would be a publicly-owned “clean power” company which would “cut bills for good and boost energy security”. This new company would receive £8.3bn capital investment over the course of the new parliament. This would be partly funded by a time-limited windfall tax on oil and gas companies with the rest of the funding being provided by government borrowing. Labour said this company would work with the private sector in order to double onshore wind, treble solar and quadruple offshore wind power production in the UK by the end of the decade."
Great British Energy has been launched. Ed Miliband is hugely committed to the climate change agenda and will bring a lot of experience to his role as Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero.

Many thanks Mamie...