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ICJ ruling - Israel is breaking international law.

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 19-Jul-24 15:39:51

The top United Nations court has ruled that Israel’s settlement policies and use of natural resources in the occupied Palestinian territories violate international law.

The international court of justice said “the transfer by Israel of settlers to the West Bank and Jerusalem as well as Israel’s maintenance of their presence, is contrary to article 49 of the fourth geneva convention”.

The panel of 15 judges from around the world also said the use of natural resources was “inconsistent” with its obligations under international law as an occupying power.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 19-Jul-24 15:41:20

Israel captured the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza Strip in 1967 six-day war. The Palestinians seek all three areas for an independent state.

Israel considers the West Bank to be disputed territory, the future of which should be decided in negotiations. It has moved people there in settlements to solidify its hold. It has annexed East Jerusalem in a move that is not recognised internationally, while it withdrew from Gaza in 2005 but maintained a blockade of the territory after Hamas took power in 2007. The international community generally considers all three areas to be occupied territory.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 19-Jul-24 16:32:51

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Smileless2012 Fri 19-Jul-24 16:38:45

Thank you for sharing.

Romola Fri 19-Jul-24 16:41:29

When Hamas committed the atrocities of 7th October, Antonio Guterres, Secretary General of the UN, commented that those events didn't come from nowhere.
Both sides have done terrible things. But the land-grab perpetrated by Israel sowed the seeds of the war. I'm glad about the ICJ judgement.

silverlining48 Fri 19-Jul-24 17:08:29

Israel has been found to be violating international law time and time again.
Nothing is done about it.

Dinahmo Sat 20-Jul-24 12:10:36

It's good to hear the news but I sadly doubt whether anything will come of it.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 20-Jul-24 12:13:05

I think you are correct, but it needed establishing in a court of law. Other states can then refer to the ruling when dealing with Israel and making decisions.

paddyann54 Sat 20-Jul-24 13:17:52

It won’t make any difference until world leaders stop treating Israel by a different standard.Its over 40 years since my friend and colleague had his family thrown off their land so Israel could build on it.They lost their home and their income from olive groves.Its been happening since then and UNresolutions have just been ignored! It’s well past time the Israeli state and government was brought to book .I won’t hold my breath

maddyone Sat 20-Jul-24 14:42:03

The court has no jurisdiction or ability to follow through any judgment it makes. It is a court in name only because it cannot enforce judgements. It holds no power.

Aveline Sat 20-Jul-24 15:19:23

I simply don't understand how Israel has been allowed to occupy this territory. It's just plain wrong and unfair in the most basic sense.

Ladyleftfieldlover Sat 20-Jul-24 15:28:29

The Israeli government won’t accept any ruling from an international court. They won’t even accept the validity of these courts.

Rekarie Sat 20-Jul-24 15:37:45

Until the 1960s, approximately one million Jews lived in Iran and other Arab countries having arrived in the region more than 2,000 years before. Nowadays, it is estimated that only around 15,000 remain, as the majority of the Jewish population in Muslim lands were forced to flee their homes in the years following the establishment of the State of Israel. This mass expulsion and exodus is part of modern history, but inexplicably, it’s neither taught at schools nor remembered within the context of the conflicts in the Middle East

Nobody ever talks about how 750 thousand Jews were forced to leave their homes.

It's never been easy being Jewish.

MaizieD Sat 20-Jul-24 15:40:17

Aveline

I simply don't understand how Israel has been allowed to occupy this territory. It's just plain wrong and unfair in the most basic sense.

How was anyone going to be able to stop them? They were never gong to withdraw just because the international community said they should.

It all boils down to who has the strongest fighting force. And that happens to be Israel.

foxie48 Sat 20-Jul-24 15:49:30

I'm also pleased that the court has reached this decision. Although Israel won't accept it and the ICJ has no power to enforce it might have an effect on how other countries interact with Israel, particularly with regard to military aid that would be used in "occupied" territory.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 20-Jul-24 15:54:38

foxie48

I'm also pleased that the court has reached this decision. Although Israel won't accept it and the ICJ has no power to enforce it might have an effect on how other countries interact with Israel, particularly with regard to military aid that would be used in "occupied" territory.

Yes I agree.

The world has sat in judgement on Israel.

Aveline Sat 20-Jul-24 17:11:44

MaizieD the Americans have been supporting the Israelis to a huge extent. They could surely use their financial levers to exert pressure on the Israeli government. Israel for the Israelis and Palestine for the Palestinians. Seems reasonable

Grantanow Sat 20-Jul-24 17:27:57

The issue can only be resolved politically. The Court's judgment is advisory and in any case unenforceable.

MaizieD Sat 20-Jul-24 18:18:29

Aveline

MaizieD the Americans have been supporting the Israelis to a huge extent. They could surely use their financial levers to exert pressure on the Israeli government. Israel for the Israelis and Palestine for the Palestinians. Seems reasonable

Well, has the US used its financial levers at any time?

The occupation of the West Bank & Gaza dates back to the 60s & 70s. I didn't notice the US objecting.

What on earth makes you think that the US would, or should, have done anything to prevent it?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 20-Jul-24 18:19:55

It certainly won’t if Trump gets in. His son-in-law has been eyeing up land in Gaza for his retail company.

silverlining48 Sat 20-Jul-24 19:01:12

While the world has watched Gaza, since 7 October nearly 400 more illegal settlements have been set up by nearly a million more Jewish ‘ settlers’ in the West Bank.
Many Palestinians have been killed while Israeli soldiers look on, doing nothing to prevent their violence.

foxie48 Sat 20-Jul-24 19:30:34

silverlining48

While the world has watched Gaza, since 7 October nearly 400 more illegal settlements have been set up by nearly a million more Jewish ‘ settlers’ in the West Bank.
Many Palestinians have been killed while Israeli soldiers look on, doing nothing to prevent their violence.

It's disgraceful. I do not support the violence or actions of Hamas but that doesn't prevent me from recognising and condemning the violence committed by Israeli settlers.

Aveline Sat 20-Jul-24 20:59:34

MaizieD just because Americans didn't exert financial pressure on the Israelis in the past doesn't mean they can't now. The situation in the West Bank is disgraceful. Bullies seldom prosper.

MaizieD Sat 20-Jul-24 22:48:37

Aveline

MaizieD just because Americans didn't exert financial pressure on the Israelis in the past doesn't mean they can't now. The situation in the West Bank is disgraceful. Bullies seldom prosper.

Oh, I thought you were originally referring to much earlier failure to prevent the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands. when no attempts have been made to stop them.

Aveline Sun 21-Jul-24 05:50:12

I wasn't. I'm referring to right now.