Travellers total disregard for the law

Primrose53

One of my friends married into a traveller family many years ago. They are from genuine Romany stock but bought land decades ago in our village and settled here.

They live in modern trailers but their parents and grandparents lived in the traditional old wagons, some of which they still have and are beautiful. tiny pullout beds for children and shelves for all their family china.

LastChristmas they finally moved into their newly built home which is massive and she knows I call itSouthFork after the one in Dallas TV prog. It is taking her a long time to get used to it.Her 4 adult kids and 11 grandchildren still live in trailers nearby.

We often go on rideouts with them around the countryside and finish off at a local pub.

Gosh , what a life you must lead. Romany riding buddies. Must be great.

My DH's maternal grandfather came from an Irish travelling family. He settled in the UK in the 1890s.
DH, MIL,her brother, and my younger DS all of have/ had some wanderlust in their blood.Also a love of bright colours, (MIL would paint the inside of her house about once a month with garish coloured paint ).They also had a great affinity with animals especially dogs, which is very apparent in DS even now.
DS is very law abiding like his late father. They knew about the consequences if they disobeyed.

We had quite a few traveller families at our school. Usually they went to a permanent camp during the winter and the children came to school
We had one young lad (10) who went ‘tarmacing’ all summer. When he came back he went to the school office one lunch time and asked where he could go to have a fag
’. The school secretary was beyond speech.

Thanks Pascal30. The community I know best is the Irish Travellers. We have a big group on a council estate near what is now a main road and was a traditional traveller stopping point in the past. Like every other community, there are some interesting, likeable people and some less likeable people making money from organised crime.
My experience was that unless alcohol or more recently drug addiction blighted parents, children were loved, nurtured and the centre of family life. Just like the rest of us.
Catholicism remains important. Christenings, first communions and weddings = new clothes and parties.
Traditionally they’re a group who tell their history in song and story telling, These days literacy recognised as important so children stay through primary and up to 13-14 - by which time school isn’t seen as so,important.

Getting trust if you’re seen as an authority figure is key. Once you’re accepted as trustworthy -youre in. The suspicion of authority is based of the history of being outsiders

pascal30

Tuaim

pascal30

Roughly speaking there are Irish Travellers, Roma from Eastern Europe and Gypsies who originated in India.. Each have their own cultures, beliefs and languages. In Spain you also have Gitanos, Tsiganes and Egyptiens.. I have been to several Gypsy Festivals in The Camargue and Spain and they were Catholic festivals with people travelling from all over Europe to attend.. and of course there are New Age Travellers

Thank you very much for this. Very interesting. I seem to recall a great flamenco guitarist called Manitas De Plata who came from the Carmargue who was a gypsy. Loved his music.

I heard Paco de Lucia playing there. One of the absolute highlights of my life...

Fabulous.

Tuaim

pascal30

Roughly speaking there are Irish Travellers, Roma from Eastern Europe and Gypsies who originated in India.. Each have their own cultures, beliefs and languages. In Spain you also have Gitanos, Tsiganes and Egyptiens.. I have been to several Gypsy Festivals in The Camargue and Spain and they were Catholic festivals with people travelling from all over Europe to attend.. and of course there are New Age Travellers

Thank you very much for this. Very interesting. I seem to recall a great flamenco guitarist called Manitas De Plata who came from the Carmargue who was a gypsy. Loved his music.

I heard Paco de Lucia playing there. One of the absolute highlights of my life...

Travellers set up camp in my daughter's GP surgery carpark a couple of years ago. The staff, nurses, GP etc had to park elsewhere because the travellers children were creating havoc breaking car windows, ripping off windscreen wipers, smashing lights, slashing tyres and the stench was unbelievable as they were all urinating and defacating outside (I know they don't use the toilets in their own caravans).
Patients were having to be turned away too. It was total chaos and took days to get them moved on. I know they have to live somewhere but they seriously do not do themselves any favours do they?

pascal30

Roughly speaking there are Irish Travellers, Roma from Eastern Europe and Gypsies who originated in India.. Each have their own cultures, beliefs and languages. In Spain you also have Gitanos, Tsiganes and Egyptiens.. I have been to several Gypsy Festivals in The Camargue and Spain and they were Catholic festivals with people travelling from all over Europe to attend.. and of course there are New Age Travellers

Thank you very much for this. Very interesting. I seem to recall a great flamenco guitarist called Manitas De Plata who came from the Carmargue who was a gypsy. Loved his music.

Thank you for this post and all those who chose to offer the positive remarks about the traveller community !

Roughly speaking there are Irish Travellers, Roma from Eastern Europe and Gypsies who originated in India.. Each have their own cultures, beliefs and languages. In Spain you also have Gitanos, Tsiganes and Egyptiens.. I have been to several Gypsy Festivals in The Camargue and Spain and they were Catholic festivals with people travelling from all over Europe to attend.. and of course there are New Age Travellers

I would like to know too, Tuaim. All we see round here are caravans parking illegally and a huge mess left behind when they leave.

Please could folks tell me what is the difference between travellers, Roma, and gypsies?

Oreo

That will be the best outcome then keepingquiet

Why ?
Years ago it was considered acceptable to remove children from indigenous people like Australian aboriginals and North American Indian tribes, take them off to boarding school and remove any attachment to their origins. It didn’t work of course, but caused unknown harm.

Many area which were traditional stop off points for say Irish travellers now have either l.a. Traveler sights or many families are living in council accommodation located close to each other. Families usually share a caravan or trailer. They often travel between June -September. Appleby is a regular meeting place to trade horses and ponies. As it has been for many years. Like any other community there are good people and criminals.
In the area I’m most familiar with, literacy and numeracy are now recognised as essential, so chikdren go to school. Several schools run adult literacy schemes for parents and other relatives who missed out in childhood. Their traditions remain though travelling increasingly difficult as life changes

One of the sites here has two traps that they were sorting out last week. I reckon they visited your frontage Granny

One of my friends married into a traveller family many years ago. They are from genuine Romany stock but bought land decades ago in our village and settled here.

They live in modern trailers but their parents and grandparents lived in the traditional old wagons, some of which they still have and are beautiful. tiny pullout beds for children and shelves for all their family china.

LastChristmas they finally moved into their newly built home which is massive and she knows I call itSouthFork after the one in Dallas TV prog. It is taking her a long time to get used to it.Her 4 adult kids and 11 grandchildren still live in trailers nearby.

We often go on rideouts with them around the countryside and finish off at a local pub.

We get two or three traps with various family members on calling into our local, they tie the very well behaved ponies up, have a drink and go.

I was driving near Witney a couple of years ago when I came upon the pony/trap race.. It was wonderful to watch.. I'd get a chair and enjoy it Grannygravy... these events won't go on forever sadly..

A year or so ago, in central London, I saw a similar display of a lot of somewhat ‘ungroomed’ ponies and traps racing down the street. Had no idea what the occasion was, so presumably it was the same.

That will be the best outcome then keepingquiet

Calendargirl

^Most travellers now live on permanent sites or in houses^

Not much ‘travelling’ involved then.

It isn't a misnomer but yes, more and more integration taking place especially thorough schools and education. The worry for some travellers is that their way of life will be over in a couple of generations.

Whitewavemark2

There were quite a few travellers caravans in Chichester car park on Tuesday, which was a pain as it is full at the best of times, and their children were playing everywhere so we had to be careful.

By the winter they will all be gone.

Anyone know where they go?

Rathkeale County Limerick, is where they all go.
It’s a strange town, full of smallish houses with gates that would be worthy of a palace and fakes stone statues everywhere, the gates are weighed down with padlocks, CCTV is watching you wherever you go and much to our amusement signs that say no overnight parking!

Here’s a link.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rathkeale-a-small-irish-town-swollen-by-the-proceeds-of-crime-a6904141.html

Travellers arrive in my area and it costs the council £13, 000 per year to clean up after them.

Most travellers now live on permanent sites or in houses

Not much ‘travelling’ involved then.

Most travellers now live on permanent sites or in houses. I think they like their summer meet-ups still. Just like us really.

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