Above inflation pay rises for teachers and NHS staff?

Clapping and saucepan banging was encouraged by the Tory Buffoon to divert people from his incompetent government and the real issues, including NHS pay.

I know a few nurses and they told me they preferred people to keep away from each other rather than clapping.
My neighbours used to gather in a group to clap. How was that helping the NHS?

Oh my I hated that clapping thing. I felt pressured into doing it from my upstairs bedroom window but mostly I didn't bother.
I think it began in Italy where most people lived in apartments with balconies. It just didn't tranfer here, especially if you live in a terraced house and have to stand very close to your neighbour. Stupid really.

Overdue and well deserved.
Has even one public sector worker - especially nurses - managed to pay any bill with all the silly clapping and saucepan banging that went on in the Pandemic every Thursday?

Thought not!

Sure start helped many families living chaotic lives and not managing parenthood to cope better with their children, to be patient, consistent, create boundaries, how to play with their children , eat together, read to them. All the things that they may not have experienced themselves.
If that led to children doing better at school later it was a bonus of course, but it was more about good parenting and creating happier families.

Of course public sector workers like teachers, nurses and doctors should get a decent pay rise after years of inaction by the Tories who were quite content to deride them while supinely letting water companies polute rivers and pay their bosses outrageous bonuses.

The article I read said the impact of SS peaked at age 11, when the children had already been in school six years and could very well have been attributed to things like pupil premium etc. which took up some of the money previously used for SS and provides support for children who qualify and benefits indirectly, the other children.

There is a very comprehensive report on the impact, positive and negative and neutral on the children and their family which is taking me a while to read through.

Some SS centres merged with Family Hubs but the most interesting thing I’ll be following up is whether Starmer believes so implicitly in the value of SS that he will reinstate them, whilst hopefully continuing to maintain Pupil Premium.

eazybee

Not SureStart yet again!

Why not?

It's interesting for some people.

That's interesting, Mollygo, because then we have this from April of this year. Same researching body:

'Children living near Sure Start centres did better at GCSEs, study suggests'

Children from low-income families who grew up near a Sure Start centre did better than their peers at GCSEs, says the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-68763942

I'm not contesting what you found. It's just that the long term effect 'seems' to have been beneficial.

Not SureStart yet again!

Sorry, when I first started researching this, there was mention of cuts to SureStart centres under Labour, or I wouldn’t have mentioned it, but I can’t find the reference now.
What there is reference to is the impact of Sure Start. Depending on which source/statistic you use the outcomes are different e.g. this, from the IFS report.
^the study also looks at those children’s developmental progress and educational attainment at ages 5, 7 and 11. Interestingly, the IFS can find no statistically significant improvement in developmental scores among 5-year-olds who lived close to Sure Start centres – i.e. the age at which you might expect children to be showing the greatest advancement. The ‘Sure Start’ effect only seems to have kicked in at age 7, before peaking at age 11 – by which point children had been at school for six years. Can you really attribute that to Sure Start centres – or to other policies which targeted schools in similar, deprived areas?

silverlining48

There were about 3,500 zSure Starts and as a social worker I saw how successful they were.
Tories closed down 1500. A short sighted decision.

As of June 2019 there were 2,350 Sure Start Centres and 700 children’s centre linked sites.

We have one close to us, it is probably going to close because it is just not used by local parents.

I hope labour helps the early years sector as well. I have 18 months to go and would love to see better working conditions and a pay increase. I work in the private sector nursery and it’s been terrible since returning after covid. My little darlings left on Friday the last covid babies good luck to the reception teachers some children left still not fully toilet trained some struggled to put coats on and some have real speech problems. Not our fault we did our best. Sorry for the rant.

silverlining48

It’s my understanding that closures began w ith the Tory/ Lib Dem coalition and continued by the Tory government.

I can't find anything about Labour cutting Sure Start. The responsibility for funding them was transferred to local councils by Gordon Brown, which probably accounts for what happened next.

It appears that closures started after the 2010 election of the tory/LibDem government as local council funding was cut in the name of 'austerity'.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sure_Start

It’s my understanding that closures began w ith the Tory/ Lib Dem coalition and continued by the Tory government.

Silverlining48
Labour started the closures, because they were unviable or maybe they didn’t have the funding.
Conservatives carried on and once you close some, others will follow, especially if there isn’t the funding to keep the successful ones open.
You can read on GN the different experiences of people with regard to SureStart. Those that were well used and those that were underused.

There were about 3,500 zSure Starts and as a social worker I saw how successful they were.
Tories closed down 1500. A short sighted decision.

GrannyGravy13

Grandmabatty

There were parenting classes called Sure Start until The Tories cancelled them.

There are still over 2,000 Sure Start Centres in England.

They have been much reduced and were never progressed as it was intended.

The Cameron government ensured that.

Grandmabatty

There were parenting classes called Sure Start until The Tories cancelled them.

There are still over 2,000 Sure Start Centres in England.

It's a very positive move and needed. Public sector workers have had a raw deal for many years.
My DD and SiL have both left teaching now and work as private tutors. They hadn't had a pay rise for far too long and the conditions for teachers now are dreadful.
The school my sil left had no physics teachers left after he resigned.
The pay for junior doctors up to now has been appallingly low and I hope they are given a substantial rise.

There were parenting classes called Sure Start until The Tories cancelled them.

Police pay is also under review. I hope. Sil is a police officer as was my dh so I know how hard the work is.
In fact we are or were public servants in our small family. All used to poor pay and conditions.

While I welcome the news for teachers and NHS staff I notice there's no mention of giving the police or prison officers a decent rise. These are two professions for whom it is illegal to strike, but I'm sure that has no bearing on any government decisions on their pay 🙄

Bad behaviour isn't the kid's fault but nothing focused on them will work unless you fix their parents. Hold parents responsible and have mandatory parenting classes for parents of habitual offenders. Meanwhile, don't sacrifice the many for the few.

easybee
Well put👏👏
I remember one of our early OFSTED reports criticised us because so few teachers were running before/after school clubs.