Above inflation pay rises for teachers and NHS staff?

Well our youngest daughter will be pleased!

Yes both my daughters too!

I hope it happens too, it’s about time. There were ten full years when my dd didn’t get a payrise in the nhs. . Otherwise more strikes and even more people will leave public sector …and where would we be then.

I hope this happens. The public need to realise that if they want good public services, those services aren’t free. We have to pay for them. The private sector salary rises have apparently been running at about 5% and there is no reason at all for public sector workers to be expected to settle for less than the rest of the workforce.

I don’t think the junior doctors will settle for 5% though, and nor should they. Their pay has been devalued by 35% over the 10-14 years, and they deserve for those losses to be rectified, probably over a number of years though.

I think they’re more likely to get a settlement with Labour maddyone. Let’s hope their dispute ends soon so waiting lists don’t keep being added to.

I agree with Urmstongran.
The junior doctors were treated appallingly by the last government, and I’m hoping for change.

The public need to realise that if they want good public services, those services aren’t free. We have to pay for them.

We don't have to pay for them. This is what I| have been banging on about for so long now.

Government spends before it taxes. It isn't financed by taxation. Taxation's main purpose is to control the amount of money there is in the economy in order to prevent demand led inflation.

Increasing the money in circulation by increasing public sector pay will increase general economic activity as the workers spend their additional money into the domestic economy.

The government will recover much of the money through taxation, i.e. by taxation of the workers' extra income and taxation of the economic activity this extra income promotes.

As far as the doctors are concerned, yes, it is about pay but also about working conditions, and this is also being resolved by Streeting. So there will be a build up of goodwill, which helps.

The 5.5% pay rise for teachers is probably long overdue. I am in favour.

From a selfish point of view, however, I think this will cause an added problem for independent schools, who will now have that to contend with that on top of the VAT on education. Historically the pay rises awarded to teachers at private schools were just above those in state schools. This new leap will cost heavily for them to match it.

Upping the pay for teachers and NHS staff-great idea! The sooner the better, especially with the introduction of a new NC.

It is well deserved, considering what they did during Covid, but being cynical I am wondering what strings are attached for teachers.
Cleaning children's teeth, running before and afterschool clubs, (free child minding), compulsory dinner duty?
All suggestions pre-election.
I have no idea about the NHS but am sure it will involve longer hours and more responsibility.

A Tory MP was heard saying on Rdio 4 on Friiday, "The NHS needs more money" that's rich coming from a government of 14 years.

easybee
Well put👏👏
I remember one of our early OFSTED reports criticised us because so few teachers were running before/after school clubs.

Bad behaviour isn't the kid's fault but nothing focused on them will work unless you fix their parents. Hold parents responsible and have mandatory parenting classes for parents of habitual offenders. Meanwhile, don't sacrifice the many for the few.

While I welcome the news for teachers and NHS staff I notice there's no mention of giving the police or prison officers a decent rise. These are two professions for whom it is illegal to strike, but I'm sure that has no bearing on any government decisions on their pay 🙄

Police pay is also under review. I hope. Sil is a police officer as was my dh so I know how hard the work is.
In fact we are or were public servants in our small family. All used to poor pay and conditions.

There were parenting classes called Sure Start until The Tories cancelled them.

It's a very positive move and needed. Public sector workers have had a raw deal for many years.
My DD and SiL have both left teaching now and work as private tutors. They hadn't had a pay rise for far too long and the conditions for teachers now are dreadful.
The school my sil left had no physics teachers left after he resigned.
The pay for junior doctors up to now has been appallingly low and I hope they are given a substantial rise.

Grandmabatty

There were parenting classes called Sure Start until The Tories cancelled them.

There are still over 2,000 Sure Start Centres in England.

GrannyGravy13

Grandmabatty

There were parenting classes called Sure Start until The Tories cancelled them.

There are still over 2,000 Sure Start Centres in England.

They have been much reduced and were never progressed as it was intended.

The Cameron government ensured that.

There were about 3,500 zSure Starts and as a social worker I saw how successful they were.
Tories closed down 1500. A short sighted decision.

Silverlining48
Labour started the closures, because they were unviable or maybe they didn’t have the funding.
Conservatives carried on and once you close some, others will follow, especially if there isn’t the funding to keep the successful ones open.
You can read on GN the different experiences of people with regard to SureStart. Those that were well used and those that were underused.

It’s my understanding that closures began w ith the Tory/ Lib Dem coalition and continued by the Tory government.

silverlining48

It’s my understanding that closures began w ith the Tory/ Lib Dem coalition and continued by the Tory government.

I can't find anything about Labour cutting Sure Start. The responsibility for funding them was transferred to local councils by Gordon Brown, which probably accounts for what happened next.

It appears that closures started after the 2010 election of the tory/LibDem government as local council funding was cut in the name of 'austerity'.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sure_Start